MyFord Super 7 spindle movement

[norm nortonParticipant @normnorton75434]

Posted by Lambton on 17/02/2018 11:08:31:

There must first be a definite preload on the rear pair of bearings …

I know one owner who did not adjust this pair of bearings correctly leaving them with " negative preload" ….

Many thanks for posting this correction to my previous view of leaving a few tenths for the oil. As soon as I saw what you had said it was blindingly obvious that the bearings must 'just' remove all possible end float. Back in the workshop I immediately reset the spindle adjustment again. Always learning ……..

[Nick HulmeParticipant @nickhulme30114]

Posted by KWIL on 17/02/2018 14:31:55:

When you consider the amount of finance tied up in "New" Myford, I think you will find they are doing the job properly.

I may be wrong but I believe they bought the name simply so they can sell "Myford Branded" Chinese products at astronomical mark-ups and that this was the driver for the financial input, I have seen little to disabuse me of this fanciful notion.

The initial behaviour of the "New Myford" on eBay might not colour your opinion of them but aside from being forced to back off by massive public opinion there was no evidence of any good will to the second hand marketers of genuine Myford parts or those selling new compatible parts, New Myford acted like utter Outhouses and never apologised.

[David Standing 1Participant @davidstanding1]

Posted by Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 19:45:48:

Posted by KWIL on 17/02/2018 14:31:55:

When you consider the amount of finance tied up in "New" Myford, I think you will find they are doing the job properly.

I may be wrong but I believe they bought the name simply so they can sell "Myford Branded" Chinese products at astronomical mark-ups and that this was the driver for the financial input, I have seen little to disabuse me of this fanciful notion.

The initial behaviour of the "New Myford" on eBay might not colour your opinion of them but aside from being forced to back off by massive public opinion there was no evidence of any good will to the second hand marketers of genuine Myford parts or those selling new compatible parts, New Myford acted like utter Outhouses and never apologised.

Yup!

[John Billard 1Participant @johnbillard1]

I purchased a refurbished Super 7 last year from Myford exchanging my older machine. I visited their premises twice to see how things are going and they were nothing but helpful. The new lathe was installed and set up shortly after by their staff. All done very efficiently. I am very pleased with the new machine.

I saw no evidence of a "Chinese" connection and I think that these claims should be verified before going on to this site.

As an aside when I was at Myford they sold me a new Fobco Star drilling machine for £275 which I think shows their veracity.

For all their attributes "old Myford" are no more. The new owners should be congratulated in allowing the name to continue.

Kind regards

John B

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[Ian HewsonParticipant @ianhewson99641]

All my dealings with RDG/Myford from the old days in the second hand tools shop to the firm they are today I find they are totally genuine in there dealings, and when I call at the Mytholmroyd premises they are always helpful.

To total them without any substance is disengenuos.

To try and protect a name they have paid for from being used by others is fair enough, how would you feel if you had paid out and then found others freeloading?

I have no other interest in them other than a satisfied customer.

[Ian PParticipant @ianp]

Posted by John Billard 1 on 17/02/2018 20:47:56:

I purchased a refurbished Super 7 last year from Myford exchanging my older machine.

As an aside when I was at Myford they sold me a new Fobco Star drilling machine for £275 which I think shows their veracity.

John B

As a Fobco Star owner I was unaware that new Fobco machines are still available (or were in 2017).

Ian P

[John Billard 1Participant @johnbillard1]

The Fobco was new old stock. I was told it came from a Manchester college but it was never used. I had to clean off the original anti rust goo put on by Fobco and the chuck key was still held in its housing with its perished rubber band. Came with a British Jacobs chuck…. I am still running it in…. I know that I am a lucky boy….

Best wishes

John B

[Ian PParticipant @ianp]

Posted by John Billard 1 on 17/02/2018 21:52:24:

The Fobco was new old stock. I was told it came from a Manchester college but it was never used. I had to clean off the original anti rust goo put on by Fobco and the chuck key was still held in its housing with its perished rubber band. Came with a British Jacobs chuck…. I am still running it in…. I know that I am a lucky boy….

Best wishes

John B

Wow, you did a get a bargain!

Ian P

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 19:45:48:

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I may be wrong but I believe they bought the name simply so they can sell "Myford Branded" Chinese products ..

I think you are. Totally. No evidence to support that assertion in my recent dealings with them on parts for an ML7 rebuild.

 

Edited By Hopper on 17/02/2018 22:47:51

[Nick HulmeParticipant @nickhulme30114]

Posted by Hopper on 11/02/2018 11:15:28:

Yes it looks like Myford no longer stocks the bronze bushing

They sold them all off on eBay, I spotted it while they were on with knocking out all their stock of real service parts and have one on the shelf in the workshop for my standard Super 7 head should I use the head again and need the spare

[Nick HulmeParticipant @nickhulme30114]

Posted by Hopper on 17/02/2018 22:45:37:

Posted by Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 19:45:48:

…

I may be wrong but I believe they bought the name simply so they can sell "Myford Branded" Chinese products ..

I think you are. Totally. No evidence to support that assertion in my recent dealings with them on parts for an ML7 rebuild.

 

Edited By Hopper on 17/02/2018 22:47:51

They still have the old stock which they haven't been able to dump on eBay but are not "customer centric", the Super 7 Bronze Bushes are a case in point of something where they were able to dump all the stock they bough on eBay and have done so

 

Edited By Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 22:53:15

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Talking to Myford on their show stand which featured a brand new lathe with a made in Halifax badge, they told me they are made in UK not just assembled. Apparently the new machines gained the seal of approval from Mr Moore. That seems like a good endorsement. The machine on display looks very well made and finished to me. For the thick end of ten grand I am not sure I would buy one but I have a ML7R in V good nick.

Mike

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 22:52:23:

Posted by Hopper on 17/02/2018 22:45:37:

Posted by Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 19:45:48:

…

I may be wrong but I believe they bought the name simply so they can sell "Myford Branded" Chinese products ..

I think you are. Totally. No evidence to support that assertion in my recent dealings with them on parts for an ML7 rebuild.

 

Edited By Hopper on 17/02/2018 22:47:51

They still have the old stock which they haven't been able to dump on eBay but are not "customer centric", the Super 7 Bronze Bushes are a case in point of something where they were able to dump all the stock they bough on eBay and have done so

 

Edited By Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 22:53:15

So they have sold all their old stock – that is what such a business is supposed to do: sell things.

Still no sign of any Chinese parts with Myford branding to replace them.

So far, so good. Sort of. Time will tell, I guess.

 

Edited By Hopper on 18/02/2018 04:31:09

[David Standing 1Participant @davidstanding1]

Posted by Hopper on 18/02/2018 04:30:34:

Posted by Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 22:52:23:

Posted by Hopper on 17/02/2018 22:45:37:

Posted by Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 19:45:48:

…

I may be wrong but I believe they bought the name simply so they can sell "Myford Branded" Chinese products ..

I think you are. Totally. No evidence to support that assertion in my recent dealings with them on parts for an ML7 rebuild.

 

Edited By Hopper on 17/02/2018 22:47:51

They still have the old stock which they haven't been able to dump on eBay but are not "customer centric", the Super 7 Bronze Bushes are a case in point of something where they were able to dump all the stock they bough on eBay and have done so

 

Edited By Nick Hulme on 17/02/2018 22:53:15

So they have sold all their old stock – that is what such a business is supposed to do: sell things.

Still no sign of any Chinese parts with Myford branding to replace them.

So far, so good. Sort of. Time will tell, I guess.

 

Edited By Hopper on 18/02/2018 04:31:09

 

 

Chinese parts?

 

Chucks

Chuck keys

HSS and tipped tooling

Arbors

QCTP

QCTP Tool holders

Live & dead centres

Collets

Drills

Reamers

Taps

Dies

Boring heads

Changewheels

Dividing heads

V blocks

Parallels

MT sleeves

Boring bars

Taper tooling

Measuring and marking tools

 

 

Shall I go on? The list of Chinese stuff Myford sell with their own branding is endless.

Now, I have no axe to grind, I have a Myford 254, but let us be honest about this.

 

 

 

Edited By David Standing 1 on 18/02/2018 19:41:34

[Billy BeanParticipant @billybean67480]

I will phone them in the morning and ask for a definitive answer as my understanding is that my new lathe is UK manufacture.

[Ian HewsonParticipant @ianhewson99641]

So I am to beleive that old Myford made everything they sold themselves?

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

People may wish to remind themselves that the 'original' Myford had its milling machines made in Taiwan…

Neil

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 18/02/2018 20:39:55:

People may wish to remind themselves that the 'original' Myford had its milling machines made in Taiwan…

Neil

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… and also sold a [very nice] Myford-branded version of the Vertex 6" Rotary Table.

I have no idea whether, or not, it was specially built to Myford's specification; but it did have four slots.

MichaelG.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

I don't understand what the problem is in these 3 pages. I get the impression that some posters think that anything made in China is faulty or badly made. Is it? It would be a very bad and short term policy to sell useless rubbish and destroy a good name. I doubt if "new" Myford are selling anything but good quality equipment.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

I also bought a new Fobco bench drill a long time ago and still using it, still pleased with it.

I had the rotary switch removed and replaced by a box with green and red buttons fixed to a plate extending from the motor mounting on the left.

I have bought one or two items from new Myford, no complaint.

Does it matter which country products are sourced from, as long as quality/accuracy is satisfactory?

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 18/02/2018 20:39:55:

People may wish to remind themselves that the 'original' Myford had its milling machines made in Taiwan…

Neil

Then they took them apart if necessary and tweaked them to rigorously ensure they met their high standards before retailing them i.e. doing what a lot of far eastern companies currently fail to do. Arc used to offer a similar service to their equipment purchasers on a smaller scale (for an added premium) which does rather suggest their has been an issue in the past. In the professional field, it is widely recognised that while the quality of finish is getting better, the quality of the cast iron is still below average. There are numerous stories of even hardened beds marking and wearing much easier than they should. Commercial regrinders of high end equipment will certainly witness this.

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

I'll add that like the tools you'll find in the DIY stores, anything intended for amateur use is made down to a price because amateurs want cheap. The Chinese and Indian manufacturers are merely supplying what the amateur market wants. Both countries can put space craft into orbit so it's not because they can't do it.

[David ColwillParticipant @davidcolwill19261]

If Myford / RDG are making anything in this country surely that is a start!

Not that the Chinese are not capable of building a Super Seven. The quality would depend entirely on how much the buyer ( Myford / RDG ) in this case wanted to spend.

Far better than staying in Beeston and going bankrupt.

David.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

To comment on Chris' post above, my Taiwan – made VMB, when I came to tram the head whose out-of-squareness had always bugged me, turned out to have one of the clamping bolts held in to the casting with paint! There was obviously a blowhole in just the wrong place in the base casting. Myford kindly offered to deal with it if I delivered it to Beeston… I ended up drilling out the hole and fitting a nut underneath. That machine certainly needed taking apart and tweaking but it didn't get it. Having said that it serves me faithfully.

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Posted by norm norton on 17/02/2018 10:35:58:

Posted by Martin Kyte on 14/02/2018 13:46:27:

Set up the spindle as below.

Edit……..

Spindle should be completely free of front bush.

6.Loosen allen screw on collar at end of spindle.

7. Using the Allen key tighten collar as tight at it will go by hand.
Inner tapered roller races are now locked together with correct pre-load.

 

Excellent description of the sequence Martin. Vastly better than the Myford Manual.

I just did the job yesterday before reading your list and wish I had it to hand at the time! Although I have done it twice before it is like re-inventing the wheel as I stare at the Myford Manual to remember what on earth I did last time. This time I wanted to put back the Vee belt in place of a Linked belt.

However, I have a query. The bit that Myford make confusing is the tightening of the collar to 'push' the inner races together – the manual is not clear in describing by how much this collar must be tightened, but does say that too much and the ball races are over loaded. That makes sense to me as the outers are held apart by a spacer so the inner faces cannot bear up to each other. Yesterday I put a DTI on the spindle nose to measure longitudinal end float and tightened the collar to leave about 0.0002" play (two tenths).

Are you saying that hand tightening with the Allen key as a lever will never put too much loading on the bearings? I don't disagree with this view but I am inclined to leave space for an oil film.

I do also wonder if this adjustment of the inner races should be done when the outers are temporarily clamped together, but obviously with the spindle taper well free (one turn) of its seat.

Norm

Hi Norm

Only just read your response so sorry for the delay.

The instructions came from Malcolm at Myfords (Nottingham) and are verbatum what they did in the factory, which is why I frequently post them.

Hand tightening with the Allen key will be fine,

You are correct. When adjusting the preload the outer races are clamped together.

The oil should form it's own layer without you worrying about a space for oil.

Glad you have it all sorted.

regards Martin

PS the worst thing that can happen with too much preload is you reduce the rear bearing life. They are cheap enough and easy enough to replace so don't get too het up about it.

 

Edited By Martin Kyte on 19/02/2018 09:42:28

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