Covoid jabs

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember12892]

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[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

Hear hear br, Well said indeed.

I had mine Friday (Pfizer) with no after effects save a slight soreness on the Saturday. As you say extremely well organised and accomplished.

Tug

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Posted by br on 01/02/2021 15:18:52:

My surgery did 2200 jabs this weekend over the two days

I was one,

They worked 12 hours each day.

Car parks manned by volunteers fromt the Lions in cold wet conditions and finally darkness.

Until you have experienced it and seen what is involved , do you appreciate what is involved in this nationwide task.

I take my hat off to all of them and am more than grateful.

br

In the case of my surgery I to would add likewise comments to those of br

H

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

France is in lethargic mode, run out of vaccine and have been advised to try again in 7 weeks time !!

When looking on-line, my local centre is booked to do 165 injections over the next 28 days! (one per hour).

Our local hospital is doing well, they have 4 or 5 stations for the injections and are booked to do 1212 in 28 days (20 week days) so that is about 13 injections for each doctor per day – you could break out into a sweat over that !

Bob

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

Got my 1st jab today (Astra Zenica). Well impressed with the organisation, marshals in the car park, marshals for the queue, booked in jabbed and out within about 10minutes. Not even asked to sit and wait for 15minutes. All booked on-line through the NHS. It is good to know that when push comes to shove this country can actually do things.

John

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

I get my first jab on Wednesday, at a small disused surgery which has been re opened for CO19 innoculating. The car park is only about 12 cars capacity, so I won't know exactly what to expect.

I think that police, firefighters, refuse collectors and all NHS staff should be given priority, now that the over eighties have been vaccinated.

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

I took my wife down for hers a little while ago and yes have to agree our surgery was well organized only allowing 7 or eight into the waiting room with some chairs suitably spaced as one became empty another person allowed in also a second set of chairs so people could wait for the 15minutes after the injection each being given an egg timer set for that time. There was also two marques outside for those waiting to go in again with some well spaced chairs.

All very well done by the staff and those who helped

[Peter G. ShawParticipant @peterg-shaw75338]

I too was impressed with the organisation of my jab recently, and I'm glad that I'm not the only one impressed. As others have said, marshals in the car park, marshals inside who directed me to a particular chair, then almost immediately called into a room where there was a GP, a nurse, and someone on the computer. Back out and then round a separate route to get back outside. I would have been in and out in 5 minutes or so were it not for having to visit the inhouse pharmacy (nowt to do with Covid). As it was 15 mins at most for both.

So, well done Cockermouth & Derwent Surgery.

In respect of the 15 mins post-jab wait, if you came with a driver, then there was no wait, otherwise if on your own, you were asked to wait the requisite 15 mins.

And mine was Astra-Zenica.

Peter G. Shaw

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

No different than the last flu jab really (apart from more details needed, apparently?). Our local surgery had at least 4, possibly 6 stations on the go, one Saturday. We went in together and the time for both of us was less than 5 minutes in the building. No 10 minute wait afterwards, as had been usual in previous years, but covid precautions were in force with all patients socially distanced.

Dunno how many they did in the day, but a lot. Car parking was atrocious as the adjacent hospital carpark could not be used – as it was being dug up that day (good organisation!). I expect ours will be the Oxford jab as other half carries an epipen.

[geoff adamsParticipant @geoffadams14047]

getting mine tomorrow 10 past 2 great news my wife is a care worker had her jab 4 weeks ago covid went through the home like a dose of salts cares all falling ill including my wife we all isolated for the ten days thank god myself and my son did not get it sadly the home lost 5 residents brings it home

stay safe Geoff

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

I had mine last week & her in doors had hers Saturday. No side effects at all.

Still only go out once a week to supermarket though.

Steve.

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

It's hard for me to be positive about my experience of taking two parents with advanced dementia for their vaccinations a fortnight ago.

My mother was refused admission by three separate staff members because she was not wearing a mask [they insisted we try putting one on her; it stayed on for two seconds, as we said it would].

A supervisor finally allowed us to enter but my mother was immediately wheeled off for treatment in a separate area because she was unmasked. This was in spite of our telling them it was almost certain they'd be unable to get her to understand any of their questions or instructions.

Inevitably, ten minutes later they wheeled her back still unvaccinated and asked us to intervene to persuade her to disrobe. You can't persuade her to disrobe; you have to do it for her. They stood by as we did so.

We warned them it would need at least one of us to restrain my mother while the jab was administered but they said restraint was unethical and they couldn't allow it. This then started a long discussion about "consent" and whether the jabs could go ahead at all because neither parent was able to give informed consent. [My father had already got things off to a bad start when, on being asked "when is your birthday" by a nurse whose first language was not English, he wished her "happy birthday!" in reply.]

We finally got them to see that sometimes consent should play second fiddle to what is in the patient's best interests.

At last they started to give my mother the jab, but had to stop half way through, leaving the needle still sticking out of her arm while she flailed it indignantly in the air; this was the inevitable outcome of them refusing our offer to provide restraint.

So my mother ended up having not one but one and a half doses of the vaccine, and she ended up being restrained after all.

Though this was one of the biggest vaccination centres in the country, I can only conclude from the obvious bewilderment of most of the staff that patients in an advanced state of dementia are not typically going to vaccination centres for their jabs at all, but having them in the more dementia-sensitive environment of care homes.

 

 

 

Edited By Bill Phinn on 01/02/2021 18:39:55

[David CauntParticipant @davidcaunt67674]

We had a phone call from our surgery on the 19th Jan. Would we go to the vaccination centre tomorrow at 12:00.on the 20th Jan.

It was well organised. Marshals for everything even quickly supplied a wheel chair for my wife. We did have to stay for the waiting period but that area was well organized as well.

It would be impossible to better the experience. Looking forward to the same for the second jab although we weren't given a date for that one.

Dave

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

Posted by old mart on 01/02/2021 16:57:34:

I get my first jab on Wednesday, at a small disused surgery which has been re opened for CO19 innoculating. The car park is only about 12 cars capacity, so I won't know exactly what to expect.

I think that police, firefighters, refuse collectors and all NHS staff should be given priority, now that the over eighties have been vaccinated.

Can I assume that you are over 80 then

 

Edited By Sam Longley 1 on 01/02/2021 21:17:06

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

I think that police, firefighters, refuse collectors and all NHS staff should be given priority, now that the over eighties have been vaccinated.

My wife, not only carries an epipen but has also effectively been shielding since the outbreak started. She is not even over 70 but is at severe risk should she become infected. So I disagree with you.

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Posted by not done it yet on 01/02/2021 22:43:06:

I think that police, firefighters, refuse collectors and all NHS staff should be given priority, now that the over eighties have been vaccinated.

My wife, not only carries an epipen but has also effectively been shielding since the outbreak started. She is not even over 70 but is at severe risk should she become infected. So I disagree with you.

Going for my jab this afternoon, but the paperwork I have says the vaccine is not recommended for people with 'allergies which require you to use an epi-pen'

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

We had our first jabs yesterday morning.

Both of us had an absolutely horrendous reaction, a punching headache, shivers and severe body ache all over. Got so bad early hours of this morning I had to take a paracetamol, couldn't stand it any longer.

Slowly recovering, brace yourself guys it could be you as well.

We booked the test on Sunday, on Monday p.m. received a text from my doctor inviting me to book an appointment for the first jab. This morning we had a letter from the NHS inviting us to book the first jab? So you could/can book before receiving an invite?

Geoff

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

Geoff – did you have Pfizer or the Oxford stuff ?

Rik

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

Oxford, Rik.

Feeling a lot better now, just had a big bowl of plum porridge which has perked me up.

Good luck to all who have the jab, guess we were just unlucky.

Rik my daughter who is a key worker had the Pfizer jab, she had rough time for 24 hours, had to take a day off work?

Geoff

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Going for my jab this afternoon, but the paperwork I have says the vaccine is not recommended for people with 'allergies which require you to use an epi-pen'

That was for the biontec version? Well documented since the early roll-out for that version.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by geoff walker 1 on 02/02/2021 12:49:03:

…

Both of us had an absolutely horrendous reaction, a punching headache, shivers and severe body ache all over. Got so bad early hours of this morning I had to take a paracetamol, couldn't stand it any longer.

…

We booked the test on Sunday, on Monday p.m. received a text from my doctor inviting me to book an appointment for the first jab. This morning we had a letter from the NHS inviting us to book the first jab? So you could/can book before receiving an invite?

Geoff

None of my family and friends reacted as badly as that, though my ex-wife had an uncomfortable couple of days.

I wonder if the severity of the reaction indicates how badly an individual would have reacted to the full-strength virus? If so, thank your lucky stars you didn't catch the real thing!

There seem to be two separate booking systems operating on behalf of the general public. My mother had an invitation from the Central NHS to book into one of their large central facilities (in her case a football stadium), and the following day her GP rang offering a local jab. Mum's surgery isn't doing their own thing, they and a number of others are sharing a Sports Centre. Part of the organisation is enough car parking to get people in and out smoothly. Employees are covered by other arrangements; my sister was inoculated in the hospital she works at, whilst my daughter was told to report to our local hospital.

In all cases you have be invited and can't jump the NHS queue by pre-booking. It may be possible to get the jab done privately, but I listened to a very upset gent on the radio explaining he was £400 down because the private firm he'd booked with had gone bust. It appears they went down the toilet because they couldn't get any vaccine.

Whilst tempting to think NHS Staff, police, firefighters and others should be given priority, that's not how it's being done. The most effective use of the vaccine is on the people who become very ill, partly because the disease is unpleasant to them, but mostly because they consume a lot of hospital resources. Things will be much worse if hospitals are overwhelmed by more patients than they can treat. Also, none of the vaccines are 100% effective and nor do they make recipients immune. People who have been inoculated can still catch and spread Covid, it's just that they are much less likely to become seriously ill themselves. This is why it's important to stay isolated and maintain all the usual precautions, and to have the booster when it's available. Avoid catching it, and above all don't spread it.

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 02/02/2021 13:50:20

[Adam MaraParticipant @adammara]

Posted by geoff walker 1 on 02/02/2021 13:10:35:

Oxford, Rik.

Feeling a lot better now, just had a big bowl of plum porridge which has perked me up.

Good luck to all who have the jab, guess we were just unlucky.

Rik my daughter who is a key worker had the Pfizer jab, she had rough time for 24 hours, had to take a day off work?

Geoff

Our county health officer commented that a reaction means its working. We had Oxford, both had shivers and slight headache. Our eldest grand daughter is a nurse and had the Pfizer and had a bad reaction and was ill with flu like symptons for 2 days.

[JAParticipant @ja]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 02/02/2021 13:49:47:

In all cases you have be invited and can't jump the NHS queue by pre-booking. It may be possible to get the jab done privately, but I listened to a very upset gent on the radio explaining he was £400 down because the private firm he'd booked with had gone bust. It appears they went down the toilet because they couldn't get any vaccine.

 

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 02/02/2021 13:50:20

A con?

A couple of years ago, about ten days after a flu jab I had a high temperature, pains in joints, etc. All the symptoms of flu. After three hours it had passed and I was fit again. Friends also experienced this during the same vaccination regime.

JA

I think it is not really about protecting individuals but reducing the "R" number, that is the transmission.

Edited By JA on 02/02/2021 14:03:33

[Stuart Smith 5Participant @stuartsmith5]

The vaccine priority is about first protecting those most likely to get seriously ill or die.

See ‘UK COVID19 vaccines delivery plan’:

‘Our priority is to save as many lives as possible, as quickly as possible, while also reducing the hospitalisations that are creating such pressure on the NHS.’

**LINK**

This where the priority groups 1 to 9 are defined.

Table 2: number of people in each cohort for vaccination under JCVIpriorities^{[footnote 2]}

JCVI cohort	Priority group	England	UK	% deaths attributed to cohorts
Care home residents	1	0.3m	0.3m	–
Residential care workers	1	0.4m	0.5m	–
80+	2	2.8m	3.3m	–
Healthcare Workers	2	2.0m	2.4m	–
Social Care Workers	2	1.2m	1.4m	–
75-79	3	1.9m	2.3m	–
70-74	4	2.7m	3.2m	–
Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (under 70)	4	1.0m	1.2m	–
Total priority cohorts 1 to 4	–	~12m	~15m	88%
65-69	5	2.4m	2.9m	–
At Risk (under 65)	6	6.1m	7.3m	–
60-64	7	1.5m	1.8m	–
55-59	8	2.0m	2.4m	–
50-54	9	2.3m	2.8m	–
Total priority cohorts 5 to 9	–	~14m	~17m	11%
Total priority group population	–	~27m	~32m	99%
Rest of adult population	–	~18m	~21m	–
Total	–	~44m	~53m	–

Stuart

 

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