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  • #431839
    MadMike
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      @madmike

      I was aware of the nature of the chuck jaw mounting from Richards description. However there remained the real state of the term "running out" and he has now clearly identified that there is no run out when in operation. Which leads me to one last question for Richard if I may………….when you measured the "run out" of 0.3mm on one jaw, was that with the jaws clamping on a piece of stock, or were the jaws unclamped?

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      #431876
      Richard Cox
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        @richardcox82602

        Hi Mike I was referring to for example if I chuck a piece of material and the run out is 0.30 if I take a cut the run out will become virtually zero as I have taken a cut on a piece that is 0.30 out, if I then slacken the jaw slightly and turn the material for example 90 degrees the 0.30 run out will rear it’s head due to the one jaw as I have said earlier I have enlarged the tendon slot in the jaw slightly which has improved runout, looking back I should of looked at jaw grinding as now the one tenon slot is bigger and causes movement when tightened which I have alleviated by using some welding wire to pack the gap, I’m based in Wolverhampton, yes old mart exactly the same style chuck just different sizes

        Regards Rich

        #431881
        David George 1
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          @davidgeorge1
          I bought a new chuck and found that the jaws didn't match each other so I made a cloverleaf plate and ground the jaws in situ to run true. Gave a look at my video. You could weld or insert the missing material and machine back to size and then grind jaws.
           
           
          David

          Edited By David George 1 on 04/10/2019 23:15:29

          #431884
          MadMike
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            @madmike

            Thanks for that clarification Richard. I have a 3 JC which has no dimensional problems such as you describe, and if I turned some stock, the opened the jaws and rotated the piece by 90 degrees as you describe, I would not expect the component to be any different to the one you describe. As I said earlier a 3JC is merely a holding device not an accurate fixture or jig. The only ways to get the component to run true after releasing it from the chuck are as I described earlier. If you fancy a trip to Leicestershire then I will happily demonstrate the problems and the solutions for you. I have a D1/3 Camlock fixing on my 3JC and so at least the chuck will always locate in the same place. Let me know if you fancy a trip to discuss and play.

            #431904
            Hopper
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              @hopper

              A good quality three jaw chuck should have no more than about 0.05mm runout. 0.3mm is way way way too much, even on a cheap chuck or a worn out old chuck. Anything over 0.1mm would be classified as defective in most contexts.

              #431908
              JohnF
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                @johnf59703
                Posted by Richard Cox on 01/10/2019 20:40:20:

                evening all I have been having trouble with my 3jsc with 0.30mm run out after removing jaws cleaning teeth and scroll tracked it down to one jaw being .30 out the jaw is removable and has a location stub and the jaw is tight on there so I’ve fettled a slight amount off the jaw key way to get the run out more acceptable now when I tightened the jaw due to the force it moves jaw to original position (jaw help on by two cap heads) I have tried squashing some welding wire to approx 0.3 mill to bridge the gap which has improved things has anyone else had trouble with this ? Issue is either jaw or the piece which moves in the chuck I thought the cheaper would be the jaw so took some off that not the chuck slider, hope this makes some sense

                Rich

                Hi Richard, I have read quite a few responses but to me at least its not clear EXACTLY what type of chuck you have regarding the jaws – are the jaws 1 piece removable or are the 2 piece held by cap screws, see this link for an example **LINK**

                Maybe a photo of your chuck will clarify, the type of jaw may make a considerable difference to the solution

                John

                #431933
                Howard Lewis
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                  @howardlewis46836

                  "Welding wire to pack the gap"????????????

                  That sounds like a big gap to have between a jaw and the slot in the chuck. I am imagining 1.5mm (1/16" ) welding wire. If so, I think that you have a heavy doorstop, and are in the market for a new chuck.

                  Unless you fancy some interesting remedial work on the chuck body! (Make up a new "Slot" to be fitted into the chuck body to restore the jaw/chuck fit to where it should be. )

                  If so, maybe you should take up an offer of physical help from some one within reasonable driving distance.

                  THEN you can start dealing with any jaw misalignment.

                  Howard

                  #431937
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by Howard Lewis on 05/10/2019 16:56:23:

                    I am imagining 1.5mm (1/16" ) welding wire.

                    .

                    dont know Why ?

                    .

                    What Richard wrote was:

                    ”I have tried squashing some welding wire to approx 0.3 mill to bridge the gap”

                    MichaelG.

                    #431939
                    Howard Lewis
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                      @howardlewis46836

                      0.3 mm is still too big a gap, between Jaw and chuck in my book.

                      And the source of the jaw run out has not been found. Not that a sloppy fitting jaw will help matters.

                      My suggestion is still to investigate for damage / swarf / errors in a logical sequence before removing metal.

                      Without checking everything to find the error, it can never be corrected..

                      A scattergun approach may find the error, if you are lucky; but a logical sequence of checks is likely to find it sooner., more certainly.

                      Howard

                      #431940
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        Posted by Howard Lewis on 05/10/2019 17:48:31:

                        0.3 mm is still too big a gap, between Jaw and chuck in my book.

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                        Mine too, Howard

                        MichaelG.

                        #431941
                        Howard Lewis
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                          @howardlewis46836

                          Michael,

                          I can find no reference to squashing welding wire to 0.3mm, in Richard's 04-10-2019 22:30:57 post.

                          The post says "I have enlarged the tenon slot in the jaw slightly, which has improved run out….now the one tenon slot is bigger and causes movement when tightened, which i have alleviated by using some welding wire to pack the gap"

                          Now I am wondering how the metal removed from the jaw can be replaced to make the jaw a good fit in the chuck body, again, so that finding the cause of the 0.3mm run out can be investigated, and, hopefully corrected.

                          Richard,

                          You need to find someone relatively near to you, who has the knowledge, and facilities to get things back on track, and then start investigating the source of the problem.

                          Hopefully, you will get the chuck back together, with the knowledge of where the problem is. Then action can be taken to cure it, possibly grinding the jaws so that are in alignment.

                          Howard

                          Fat fingers again, and again and again

                          Edited By Howard Lewis on 05/10/2019 18:24:11

                          Edited By Howard Lewis on 05/10/2019 18:25:09

                          #431942
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133
                            Posted by Howard Lewis on 05/10/2019 18:22:15:

                            Michael,

                            I can find no reference to squashing welding wire to 0.3mm, in Richard's 04-10-2019 22:30:57 post.

                            .

                            That’s probably because he wrote that which I quoted in his opening post on 01-10-2019

                            MichaelG.

                            #431948
                            Howard Lewis
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                              @howardlewis46836

                              I took the mention of squashed welding wire in the original post to be an attempt to cure the 0.3mm run out. The mention of increasing the clearance of the jaw in the slot came later.

                              Lets just hope that he gets it sorted ot rather than having a scrap chuck!

                              Howard

                              #432049
                              Richard Cox
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                                @richardcox82602
                                Posted by MadMike on 05/10/2019 00:00:43:

                                Thanks for that clarification Richard. I have a 3 JC which has no dimensional problems such as you describe, and if I turned some stock, the opened the jaws and rotated the piece by 90 degrees as you describe, I would not expect the component to be any different to the one you describe. As I said earlier a 3JC is merely a holding device not an accurate fixture or jig. The only ways to get the component to run true after releasing it from the chuck are as I described earlier. If you fancy a trip to Leicestershire then I will happily demonstrate the problems and the solutions for you. I have a D1/3 Camlock fixing on my 3JC and so at least the chuck will always locate in the same place. Let me know if you fancy a trip to discuss and play.

                                Thanks for the offer mike can’t seem to click on your profile must be private ?,

                                rich

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