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    Richard Simpson
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      @richardsimpson88330

      I must admit I was a bit surprised when I looked at he model boat section here and saw relatively little activity.  Spending most of my time with boats, in particularly steam powered ones I though I might as well add something here.

      This was a lockdown project and came about as a result of deciding to use up some of my collection of hulls and steam plant that I had lying around. This actually started many years ago when I purchased what was sold as a static display model of a Titanic lifeboat:

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      Despite being crude in some respects it was nevertheless a clinker built wooden model of an open boat with internal compartments and thwarts, lending itself to quite a wide range of potential scales.   The inspiration for the purchase was that I had seen some pictures of the very same model used to house a steam plant and be turned into an open steam powered work launch.  I had always fancied something similar but I really wanted to increase the sense of presence on the water so 1/6th scale always appealed to me.

      After another good dig around the workshop I came across the Miniature Steam Clyde plant that was used for a review article in Model Boats Magazine a number of years ago:

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      I knew from what I had seen that the hull would comfortably support a small steam plant but I wasn’t sure if a 1/6th figure would prove to be too big so it was time to start collecting some of the bits I didn’t have and test the feasibility of whether this could become a working model.

      I had a 1/6th action figure earmarked for another open boat project so he was borrowed and two of the central thwarts were cut out of the model to allow the boiler plant to sit in the bottom of the boat:

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      The Clyde plant was originally supplied in kit form to support a review article in the September 2012 edition of Model Boats Magazine:

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      The entire plant is very compact and the gas tank and separator sit on a common base with the boiler and engine.  The engine is a twin cylinder double acting oscillator with a built in control valve very similar in configuration to the old Cheddar Puffin engine but made with more modern materials,

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      The flue and the boiler top were both treated to an acid primer before a series of painted weathering effects in enamels and acrylics were added to create a burnt paint look.  Dark grey enamel ‘soot’ was added to the top of the flue with an airbrush and a thinned down soot was airbrushed over the upper surfaces of the boiler and the lagging:

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      All the boiler fittings and the engine were painted with a typical engine green gloss enamel before a dirty enamel wash was painted over everything to matt down the paint and create more realistic shadow areas.  The gas tank was painted in the same green and then weathered over and all the bare brass fittings were also treated to a dirty wash:

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      #812323
      Richard Simpson
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        @richardsimpson88330

        To fit the plant into the model I decided to use the two thwarts that were cut from the model as bearers for the plant.  They were fitted to the base plate of the boiler with some small stainless steel allen screws and nuts, trimmed to size and then glued into the base of the boat with a couple of pieces of wood on the ends to stiffen up the joint.  The positioning needed to be fairly central for stability purposes and still leave enough room for the shaft and a coupling at the rear:

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        Once the boiler bearers were set in place I decided to fit some wooden gratings to a couple of longitudinal supports level with the boiler base to finish off the lower area of the boat.  These were made up from wooden gratings kits:

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        While there is a huge range of 1/6th scale action figures available a great number of them are at an eye watering price.  This was meant to be a low cost project so it was decided that a cobbled together approach was probably going to work best.  Consequently all parts were sourced from an on line auction site where the body of the figure was purchased separately from the head and the German Naval uniform which, when all brought together looked the part:

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        All the other accessories that would be placed in the boat would reflect the time and location and would fit in with the figure.  Buying all the bits and pieces in this way made a big difference to the overall cost and kept it in reasonable levels.  The figure was going to be sat in the rear of the boat in what I would expect to be a fairly typical location for such a boat.  This meant he had to be close to the engine control servo, which I anticipated would be fitted to the next thwart along.  He needed to be removable but also secure so two holes were drilled into his rear and two brass tubes glued into them with epoxy:

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        I put a lot of thought into where the electronics would be located to make the arrangement as easy as possible to put into the model while still keeping everything hidden.  I decided that the engine servo would sit on the thwart next to the engine with the cable running below the thwart:

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        The steering servo would sit on the aft deck with the cable running in a brass ‘conduit’ so the receiver and battery pack would sit very nicely on top of one of the nearby side compartments.  This meant that two scratch built lockers were going to be needed to hide the bits.  These were built in place from sheets of dolls house flooring and scraps of softwood:

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        They were detailed with dolls house hinges and fitted with magnets to hold them in place.  Being built in place they fit the side of the boat perfectly:

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        So not only do they look the part but they hide the receiver, battery and on/off switch:

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        #812324
        Diogenes
        Participant
          @diogenes

          Looks like a great mixture of competent modelling endeavour and good fun in just the right proportions – I mustn’t look..

          #812341
          Bazyle
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            @bazyle

            very imaginative. Can you say a bit about fitting the stern tube and prop which I assume it was not originally designed for.

            #812344
            Richard Simpson
            Participant
              @richardsimpson88330
              On Bazyle Said:

              very imaginative. Can you say a bit about fitting the stern tube and prop which I assume it was not originally designed for.

              Coming soon!

              #812354
              Richard Simpson
              Participant
                @richardsimpson88330

                Probably what ended up being the most difficult part of the build was fitting the stern tube.  Using a ready built model with the aft end enclosed it was never going to be easy as you basically had no idea what you were drilling into.  I tried drilling from the aft end and ended up coming out in entirely the wrong place so I tried drilling from inside the hull and again came out in entirely the wrong place.  The only thing for it was to remove the aft decking:

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                That way I could at least see what I was up against and then, hopefully drill partway in from both sides and finish off with a long tapered reamer and files.  Removing the deck revealed an odd assortment of keel and stern frame, which had obviously pushed the drill off line.  I hacked out a lot of the wood with chisels and knives to free up the space, drilled from both sides exactly where I wanted the tube to sit and fitted the stern tube in place:

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                At this point I also removed a section of the stern frame to allow the propeller to sit back in the hull:

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                A similar recess was also cut into the forward part of the rudder giving the 40mm brass propeller clearance all around at all rudder angles:

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                When the tube eventually sat exactly where I wanted it with the end lining up with the engine shaft and because I had removed quite a bit of the strength I decided to fill in a large part of the space with poured resin.  This was also painted internally up the sides of the hull  in a number of separate pours to seal this compartment completely and give it some of the strength back before making a replacement deck, out of the same doll’s house flooring as I’d used for the side boxes, and fitting it to new runners glued to the inside of the hull.  I also put the steering servo in place at this point:

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                I must admit to being pleasantly surprised that the spare shaft and tube I had was a perfect length for the job so that was another item of stash effectively put to good use.  I even had the pouring resin on the shelf so quite a few items that has been sat on the shelf for some time were finally being put to good use.

                Moving to the outside of the hull the first job was to strip off all the evidence that this was a model of a Titanic lifeboat so the company flag, the name plates and the rope grab handles were all removed and the holes wiped with Tamiya filler.  The rowlocks were also removed and the holes filled and, when dry all the filler was rubbed down:

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                In the knowledge that I had discovered the hull was not sound when I did the initial stability test I knew I had to do a complete sealing job.  I was very loathe to either take anything apart or even to strip back to bare wood so a little research on line revealed a couple of products that would help with the job.  The first was Captain Tolley’s Creeping Crack Cure, which I had never heard of before. It is basically a sealant that has a viscosity lower than water to it seeps into every little crack and gap by capillary action then sets to form a seal.  I ran a bead of the fluid into every joint on the outside of the hull, let it dry completely and then went over the hull a second time:

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                The options then were to either paint the outside with some more pouring resin, which can be a little tricky on such a large surface as it sets so quickly, or a coat of Eze-Kote.  This is supposed to be a water based alternative to pouring resin and, while I have seen some arguments that it is not quite as strong as resin based products, I didn’t need the strength in this case I was looking for the sealing properties:

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                It is a lot more convenient to use and apply and it doesn’t cost you a paintbrush every time you use it so I went for three coats of EZE-Kote all over the external surfaces of the hull:

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                When the Eze-Kote had set properly and before I applied any paint I did another test in the bath and was pleased to see no leakage whatsoever into the hull.  After that the upper hull was given two coats of Humbrol Gloss Ivory:

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                , and the undersides a coat of Crimson Lake Coach Enamel from Craftmaster:

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                The top of the bulwarks was finished off with a Humbrol Matt medium grey to frame the white neatly:

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                #812365
                Nigel Graham 2
                Participant
                  @nigelgraham2

                  Interesting project – nicely done, too.

                  #812372
                  SillyOldDuffer
                  Moderator
                    @sillyoldduffer
                    On Richard Simpson Said:

                    I must admit I was a bit surprised when I looked at he model boat section here and saw relatively little activity.  Spending most of my time with boats, in particularly steam powered ones I though I might as well add something here.

                     

                     

                    Please keep it coming, wonderful work.

                    The lack of Boat activity here is only for historic reasons.   When Percival Marshall started Model Engineering magazine he covered pretty much everything of technical interest. He interpreted ‘Model’ and ‘Engineering’ in the widest sense of both words, a broad rather than narrow view.  Subject matter included rail, wireless, motorbikes, ships, boats, kites, aircraft, steam, IC, gadgets, repair and heaps more!   Full-size and scale models together.

                    As time passed, many subjects grew big enough to justify their own magazines, leaving ME to concentrate on workshop technique and model engines.  Content morphs and tastes change, so what’s in the magazine and forum depends on what hobbyists contribute.   All aspects of Model Engineering are welcome!

                    Dave

                    #812382
                    Dave Wootton
                    Participant
                      @davewootton

                      Lovely work, and an interesting project. definitely more please! I do like to see all aspects of the hobby on the forum, and I think we all appreciate good work.

                      Dave

                      #812396
                      Richard Simpson
                      Participant
                        @richardsimpson88330

                        Interesting background Dave, thank you.  My own model boat club has discussed diversifying many times over recent years and have now introduced a military vehicle section as we have a number of military vehicle enthusiasts.  I think as numbers in most craft based hobbies continue to dwindle the only way clubs and organisations are going to survive is by diversifying.

                        Myself I have never really stayed in one area much but tend to see myself as a general modeller, willing to use anything and everything to achieve the goal.  I play a lot with steam, not surprising as I write about it and inspect boilers but I will put together a model and it will almost certainly contain at least some elements of plastic construction, woodwork, metalwork, electrics and electronics, scratch building and anything else that catches my eye.  I see no shame in taking short cuts and I’m always willing to look for ways in which something can be repurposed to save some time.  I started off as a teenager working in a toy, pushbike and model shop, which remains the job I have enjoyed most throughout my life.  So I’m no expert in any area but I like to think I’m open to anything and try to see imaginative aspects in something that other may miss.

                        Anyway, on with the German Launch.

                        Turning attentions to the steering servo, which I had mounted in the aft deck, I wanted the linkages to look credible so used neat stainless steel clevis ended 2mm rods to attach to a metal frame made and attached to the rudder and bent a ‘Z’ in the servo end to make a push/pull arrangement.  The cable had to be across the deck so it was disguised with a brass conduit, mounted with pipe brackets onto wood battens.  The connecting rods were led through holes cut into the aft of the hull, well away from the water line and bearing in mind that the model is probably not going to see much in the way of heavy weather.  Rudder movement is not very great however it has since proved to be sufficient:

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                        The engine control linkage was a simple clevis connection again but I also wanted to play around with the option of having the figure ‘operating’ the engine.  To enable this I connected a vertical lever to a pivot at its foot and through the extended arm on the servo.  The problem is that the figure is quite stiff to move so may well prove to be impractical anyway but having the lever gives me the option to try.  The cable from this servo was simply led below the thwart to keep it neat and out of sight:

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                        A few bits and pieces came to mind during the build that I thought would enhance the finished appearance and so deserved to be included.  One of these was the forward stern seal.  Most boats have them but rarely do you see them modelled so I found myself two suitable sized washers and drilled them out to 8mm to suit the shaft before glueing them together.  I then glued two rings of plastic nuts around them to make what I think is a very credible stern seal arrangement.  A coat of enamel, a little dark wash and a puddle of oil in the bilge below it finishes it off.  While this job was being done I also fitted a shaft tube oiling point, which is the type that you glue on with epoxy then drill through the tube to penetrate the shaft tube.  Again painted up in matching green enamel:

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                        Another item that I wanted to include was an oil lamp on the bow.  After playing around with where it could be located I eventually used a boat davit from the spares box, painted it up with the Humbrol Ivory enamel and drilled and glued the deck to take it.  The lamp was bought from a supplier of 1/6th scale accessories and attached to the davit after a little weathering to reduce the brand new finish.  The lamp actually contains a button battery and a LED so it also operates if you want to put it on:

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                        The lifeboat was supplied with a mast and I thought this would be a perfect opportunity to add further detailing.  Unfortunately the mast mountings were out of alignment so the hole in the thwart required shifting over and a plastic flange was used to hide the required filler.  The mast then gave me the opportunity to add four shrouds, each with its own bottlescrew, shackle and eye bolt to give a much busier look at the forward end.  The tensioning arrangements were all painted up and spotted with a wash to bring them to life:

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                        #812397
                        JasonB
                        Moderator
                          @jasonb

                          As Dave says the focus of this forum is more the engineering side of things so the actual engine or boiler may get posted about but under a different heading. For example I have made over 10 engines that would have been either used in steam powered pond boats of the 20s or IC tether boats of the 40-60s but I post them under IC or steam engines not boats.

                          At the time the forum was set up we still had the MEX and topics were included for most of the competition classes which as Dave mentions go back in time and when MAP held many titles they all went under the one roof for the exhibition. Times change and titles become more specific and then change again and disappear. Same here, when the forum software was updated I spent some time combining many minority subjects into more encompassing headings to keep the choice of headings compact and do away with ones that only had a few posts in them. Model boats came close to getting put in with Misc Models.

                          #812398
                          Richard Simpson
                          Participant
                            @richardsimpson88330

                            Interesting Jason.  When I first got into model boats around 30 years ago my club, The Kirklees Model Boat Club, used to attend many annual shows.  One of my favourites was the Harrogate Model Engineering Show.  When I first started there were usually in the region of 12 to 13 model boat clubs displaying.  When the show moved to Doncaster Racecourse the last show I did there, which I think was in 2019, there were only two model boat clubs displaying.

                            It really saddens me to see how interest is falling off in all these types of hobbies.  I always used to take advantage of the opportunity at Harrogate to have good nosey around when it was quiet and was always fascinated by the levels of skill on display.  Some of the experimental clubs had some real characters in them who were always ready to take time chatting away about what they were doing.  Good days.

                            #812405
                            JasonB
                            Moderator
                              @jasonb

                              I think interests change, some of the more established model making activities may have declined but there has been an upsurge in other areas. 30yrs ago you did not see much in the way of RC heavy plant, earth movers, cranes etc but now that is a big hobby all of it’s own. Same with RC cars and Helis in particular where modern electronics in the way of GPS and Gyros has opened up the hobby to so many more with many capable of being flown “hand off” which can only help the beginner.

                              I still see some interesting videos pop up on model boats, be they the large scale power boats or 3D printed jet boats but less of the traditional wooden hulls or scale shipbuilding. The availability of RTF or Ready to Sail in your case has just changed the way people enjoy the hobby if they want their enjoyment from running/sailing rather than building. I’m the opposite and enjoy the design and then building the most and won’t run an engine much more once I have satisfied myself that it actuallly runs.

                              Health and safety put an end to some boating pools at some exhibitions so less likely to attract the associated clubs.

                              #812415
                              Michael Gilligan
                              Participant
                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                I never got actively involved, but here’s a little bit of nostalgia

                                [ first published 1962, and a fascinating read ]

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                                MichaelG.

                                #812427
                                Richard Simpson
                                Participant
                                  @richardsimpson88330

                                  OK let’s finish this off.

                                  After a little digging around on the internet I eventually found a picture of a German WWII wartime newspaper front page.  This was printed off to scale and folded up with a few more pieces of paper in a typical newspaper fashion to add to the inside clutter by leaving it on top of one of the side compartments.  A wartime sea chart of Hamburg harbour was also found and again printed off to scale and folded up before attaching it to a clipboard and placing it next to the figure, where it might be readily referred to.  A scale sized anchor was added loosely to the bow area with a length of chain and rope and coils of additional rope were strategically placed around the boat for the purposes of tying up:

                                   

                                   

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                                  and a binacle and steering wheel were painted up and added to the aft thwart in front of the figure.  I’m still not sure of the binacle, I think a bigger one would look better, but I have yet to find one:

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                                  Finally all those other cheating bits and pieces that you can pick up for 1/6th scale action figures to add plenty of internal clutter to the model and help to create the appropriate atmosphere.  The tools and box were painted up and dirtied before attaching to flat surfaces and the greatcoat, rifle, steel helmet, binoculars, jerry cans, spade, water bottle and rucksack were all given a very little bit of weathering before distributing around the internals of the boat.  The jerry cans also had some lead shot poured into them to bring the bow down a little and improve the trim before tying them to the forward thwart:

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                                  Just to continue the theme of using things up the stand was supplied as a kit of laser pre cut parts that were mounted onto an old kitchen drawer front that I picked up from a garden centre many years ago.  At the end of the day I have used up quite a few bits that had been doing nothing and I really enjoyed putting them all together.  The model has been on the water a few times and does surprisingly well.  It only lasts for around 10 to 15 minutes though so I don’t go far from the bank.  The most comments are generated by the officer apparently operating the engine by his arm moving backwards and forwards with the lever and I have even had a German speaking chap discussing the details of what the newspaper actually says.  Its all about the imminent German surrender:

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