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    Trevor Howley
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      As above Boxford Cud or ML7 I’m torn between the two is either better than the other ?

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      Robert Atkinson 2
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        Assuming identical condition and accessories like chucks and you have the space, the Boxford without a doubt. My choice would be a BUD with VFD and Electronic Lead Screw.
        Im a Myford owner.

        Robert.

        #798822
        Trevor Howley
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          @trevorhowley19606

          Why the VFD what benefits does this give.

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          not done it yet
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            @notdoneityet
            On Trevor Howley Said:

            Why the VFD what benefits does this give.

            Variable speed + other programmable options, while driving a 3 phase motor.  A far better option than a single phase motor any day of the week.

            #798828
            SillyOldDuffer
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              @sillyoldduffer

              When buying second-hand lathes, I suggest condition matters far more than who made it.  And if all the accessories are still with it.

              Assuming both are in good nick, I vote Boxford!  More solid than Myfords and less likely to be over priced.

              Much depends on what the lathe is for.  A Boxford CUD is about a third as heavy again as an ML7 – is that good or bad?   If the lathe is a difficult install due to access problems, then the lighter ML7 is easier to handle.   If the lathe is required for seriously hard work, then the CUD is better.

              Boxfords were preferred by industry and education because they are more robust.   That means they are more likely to have been abused than a Myford, but don’t  assume that!  Many Myfords were also worked good and hard.  A CUD was markedly more expensive than an ML7, but that means spares are expensive,  Condition!!!

              On the downside, both are relatively slow, which is a disadvantage if you want to use carbide inserts.

              Both lathes were made before electronics, so are probably fitted with single-phase motors.  They’re a compromise, not awful, but they vibrate, have poor starting torque, don’t speed control, and dislike stop-start operation.   The alternative is a 3-phase motor and VFD, which has a lot of advantages, but I would upgrade when the old motor kicks the bucket.  (Or brushless DC)

              And are you metric or imperial?

              Dave

               

               

              #798846
              bernard towers
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                Sorry but by the way you talk I wonder how anyone manages with a single phase machine.

                #798851
                Nicholas Farr
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                  @nicholasfarr14254

                  Hi, well I’ve had my Boxford CUD for twenty odd years, it had a 3/4 HP three phase motor on it from new, but I changed it for a new 1 HP single phase one, I have used some carbide tools on it, and it’s had thousands of stop starts without any trouble, and been used all day long many times, but it was used in industry before I bought it, and it hadn’t been abused. I wouldn’t change it for a Myford, although I do have a Myford “M” type, which was near enough given to me.

                  Regards Nick.

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                  Chris Crew
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                    • If you go down the Myford path, forget about an ML7, look out for a Super7 or at least an ML7R. The reason being that the Super7 and ML7R have a 60 tooth bull wheel which is very useful for dividing. The Super7 has a better top slide design and zero resettable dials. Avoid the ML10 like the plague. The Boxford is a far more rigid machine but will have far fewer attachments and enhancements designed for it over the years. That is not to say they cannot be adapted for a Boxford,  I am sure many have been, but as the Myford was the model engineer’s machine of choice for many years they are mostly designed with this machine in mind. I used an ML7R with a single phase motor without a clutch for over 35years and all the stopping and starting doesn’t seem to have damaged it,  although a contact on the Dewhirst reverse switch did get burnt through arcing, nor did I ever notice any practical lack of torque on starting. I have since enhanced my ML7R to almost Super7 spec., less gearbox and power cross feed. And that raises another point. If you need to cut odd threads and worms a gearbox is a hindrance with change wheels being a more convenient option.
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