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    nigel jones 5
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      #192154
      nigel jones 5
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        what are they made from (main drill body) and can they be ground for steel?

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        Michael Gilligan
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          Posted by fizzy on 02/06/2015 21:02:00:

          what are they made from (main drill body) and can they be ground for steel?

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          what are they made from (main drill body) ? … Non-descript steel [approximating Cheese]

          can they be ground for steel? … Geometry, Yes … Durable edge, No

          #192169
          Ady1
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            I've ground the carbide tip for doing stainless steel.

            The main body appeared to be ordinary steel on my cheapo masonry drills

            Drilled it using the backgear, less heat

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            #192170
            John Haine
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              The tip is tungsten carbide and can be ground to a sort of point for steel I understand. I think some sort of 4 facet grind would work. I can't remember where I saw this but could be useful if you have something too hard for a normal drill.

              #192172
              Michael Gilligan
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                Posted by fizzy on 02/06/2015 21:02:00:
                (main drill body)

                #192174
                David Colwill
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                  The body of the drill varies according to quality, the better ones are made from a tough steel and the cheap ones from cream cheese. I have used this dodge on more than one occasion, usually involving a steel of unknown origin that has work hardened to the point that HSS won't touch it. I can sharpen drills by hand ( after a fashion ) and the technique I use for sharpening is to present the masonry drill in exactly the same way I would with an ordinary drill. I should point out that I have only used these drills for opening out holes already drilled. Also the carbide tips are very small and prone to breaking. I only really use this as a last resort.

                  Regards.

                  David.

                  #192175
                  Capstan Speaking
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                    Definitely do-able if you can't buy a proper t.c. drill.

                    Grind the negative rake off the end. Even then the "top rake" is an unhelpful 90 degrees.

                    The tip is soft-soldered in so the slightest heat and it's gone.

                    #192179
                    Bob Brown 1
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                      You can buy masonry bit that have a ground edge to drill a variety of materials including steel see **LINK**

                      To quote "High performance bits with multiple diamond-ground carbide tips.
                      Suitable for masonry, wood, aluminium, structural steel, plastic, concrete B35 and multi-layer materials such as tile on concrete."

                      I've used them to drill though aluminium then into brick also wood into brick/concrete block.

                      Bob

                      Edited By Bob Brown 1 on 02/06/2015 22:29:37

                      #192180
                      Vic
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                        If you need to open up a hole in tough material you can use a Glass drill as it is, the leaf shape works quite well.

                        #192199
                        JasonB
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                          Couple of pics of some commercial TCT twistdrills I have to give you an idea of how to grind, tips are brazed like most masonary drills so will stay put. Looks to hace a 4 facet type grind with a very shallow angle to the first edge .

                           

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                          Edited By JasonB on 03/06/2015 10:05:46

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                          Gordon W
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                            Masonry drill quality is very variable, all the decent ones I have the tips are brazed on. Sharpening is quite easy, just a sort of 4 facet spade drill. Cheap diamond disc in angle grinder is the easiest and cheapest way, touch up on green grit wheel. I've done this mostly when drilling in multi-media jobs.

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                            Jon Gibbs
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                              I've had some success with spear point tile drills if this helps.

                              The other option is to try something like the Bosch Multi-construction drill bits but these aren't as sharp from my experience.

                              In both cases high drilling pressures are needed.

                              Jon

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                              Danny M2Z
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                                Posted by JasonB on 03/06/2015 08:48:19:

                                Couple of pics of some TCT twistdrills I have to give you an idea of how to grind, tips are brazed like most masonary drills so will stay put.

                                Nice photo's Jason, I had always wondered if it was worth attacking my brazed tip masonry drill bits with a suitable grinding wheel. Unlike another thread the grinding wheel striations are a part of being a practical bloke. I bet the hole won't mind

                                * Danny M *

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                                John Stevenson 1
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                                  Posted by Danny M2Z on 03/06/2015 09:42:04:

                                  Unlike another thread the grinding wheel striations are a part of being a practical bloke. I bet the hole won't mind

                                  * Danny M *

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                                  LOL wink

                                  Ground quite a few up to get John out of trouble.

                                  Diamond wheel and grind 4 facet, they work fine but don't expect H7 tolerance.

                                  Try to use a decent drill, anything that has a chrome shank is suspect.

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