Converting lights.

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8 July 2016 at 19:34 #245851
Clive Hartland
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17 years ago we bought the house on the footings, the kitchen lights are made by Marlin and use two short flourescent tubes(Two in each) The units are about 450 mm diameter..

The tubes are not lasting long and start going yellow, even though the box says 10.000 hrs.and now I have to order them special, being made in Rumania I question the quality.?

I am thinking of converting to LED but do not know where to start. Any help appreciated.

Clive
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8 July 2016 at 19:34 #24632
Clive Hartland
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Kitchen ceiling lights are dim.
8 July 2016 at 20:17 #245853
Michael Gilligan
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This might be a reasonable place to start, Clive

**LINK**

MichaelG.
8 July 2016 at 20:56 #245863
Iain Downs
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For the main part it should be straightforward. However, I'd advise you to avoid dimmable. My experience is that dimmable LEDs and dimmers for them need to be rather tightly matched and 'normal' dimmers just don't work.

Iain
8 July 2016 at 21:14 #245872
nigel jones 5
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last year i converted the whole house to led after working out that the payback was 6 months and then a good saving. You can only use dimmable if your lamp is designed for them, otherwise they will either just flicker or flash on and off – the ones I tried did this! The output rating on the box might well be correct but if replacing dichroic go for the high output as they seem a bit weak otherwise. Weve got lots of globe bayonet bulbs and the light is brilliant compared to fillament bulbs. In UK screwfix now have a very good, cheap selection.
8 July 2016 at 21:59 #245881
Clive Hartland
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All good so far and I like Michaels one. but still looking for options.

Clive
9 July 2016 at 07:02 #245902
frank brown
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Yes I think Michaels link is very close, The colour will be harsh for me I prefer 2700, which is close to daylight and I personally think the light output, while an improvement on the present, is too low for me, but that rather depends on the size of the room and its decoration colour.

If you research the web, you will be able to get the lumens of your existing tubes and the light required for a kitchen. I did this years ago when I converted 10 down lighters from halogen to LED. They paid for them selves 18 months ago!

Frank
9 July 2016 at 07:39 #245907
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by frank brown on 09/07/2016 07:02:06:

Yes I think Michaels link is very close, The colour will be harsh for me I prefer 2700, which is close to daylight

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Frank,

I must just mention that they offer four colour options …

MichaelG.
9 July 2016 at 08:24 #245913
Clive Hartland
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What I may do is buy one and fit it to see how it goes, all the houses in the road have the same fittings and owners are not happy with the original fittings so there is a chance of me getting a job out of it! Next door fitted some longer Florescents but they do not last long and they are forever looking to get new ones.

Clive
9 July 2016 at 08:28 #245914
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Clive Hartland on 09/07/2016 08:24:07:

What I may do is buy one and fit it to see how it goes, all the houses in the road have the same fittings and owners are not happy with the original fittings so there is a chance of me getting a job out of it!

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A cunning plan … Excellent !!

MichaelG.
9 July 2016 at 09:18 #245921
Anthony Kendall
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Posted by Clive Hartland on 09/07/2016 08:24:07:

What I may do is buy one and fit it to see how it goes, all the houses in the road have the same fittings and owners are not happy with the original fittings so there is a chance of me getting a job out of it! Next door fitted some longer Florescents but they do not last long and they are forever looking to get new ones. Clive

Tongue-in-cheek comment – I am moving in next door and looking forward to some help with my DIY from a local innovative beekeeper with spare time.
9 July 2016 at 10:09 #245928
SteveM
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I would convert the lights to LED using flexible self adhesive LED strip lighting. I’ve done it myself in my old Hymer with great success, achieving brighter, more even lighting and lower power consumption. I used the cooler daylight shade of light but the warmer yellowish LED’s are also available.
Of course you would also need an appropriate 12v transformer which can come in many shapes and sizes. Probably a suitably sized and shaped adaptor could be found and fitted in place of the fluorescent gubbins.
Simply remove the old tube and all the driver components leaving as smooth a surface as possible; fix the 12v adaptor in place wherever it’ll fit; peel off the adhesive backing and stick down the LED strip or strips. Depending on the design of your light it may be easier to retain the tube itself and use it as an ideal surface on which to stick the LED strips. The strips are flexible but there are limits to the bend it’ll take. If a sharp bend is needed it's simpler to cut the strip and join it to another using connectors like these (Connectors). Should be fine for your your lights from the sound of it.
I used a double density LED strip for extra brightness per metre from Amazon (LED Strip) but similar 5m LED coils are sold in many places from eBay to B&Q. I've just bought another to use inside a wardrobe.
Also there are literally dozens of tutorials using these LED strips on Youtube or Instructables. Like this one: (Tutorial)
Good luck!
Steve

Edited By SteveM on 09/07/2016 10:12:17
9 July 2016 at 10:33 #245930
Bernard Wright
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I read on here not long ago and stored the info, where if you include a filament light in the circuit with the LEDs then dimming is straight forward with any dimmer…

Bernard.
9 July 2016 at 19:02 #246000
Clive Hartland
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Oh dear, wifey kiboshed it all as she likes the present lights as they are, Boo. Not to worry as i will try and get some tubes of a different output and see if that helps.

Sorry for all the inconvenience lads.

Clive
10 July 2016 at 00:45 #246037
SteveM
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No problem Clive, but I should have added that the LED strip light conversion means that the same light fitment is used. Ostensibly he completed conversion looks like the original, but is secretly better – nobody but you would have to know…
Just a mischievous thought…
23 August 2016 at 21:26 #252033
Clive Hartland
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I have come back to this post, unfortunately on July 29th my dear wife Mary passed away after a short illness. I will not go into detail as I now have serious misgivings about Doctors and their diagnosis. Including 3 A & E doctors.

Then, re-considering those LED lights I took the plunge and ordered 2 of them at a cost of £66. This afternoon I fitted them and they are terrific. They 'Daylight' quality and have totally enhanced the kitchen so I do recommend them.

Clive
23 August 2016 at 21:34 #252035
Michael Gilligan
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Clive,

So sorry to hear of the passing of your Wife.

… My thoughts are with you.

MichaelG.

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P.S. … Glad that the lights work to your satisfaction … I actually bought a couple myself, when we first discussed them; but just put them 'into stock' for a Round Tuit day.
23 August 2016 at 21:37 #252036
Phil P
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Clive.

Very sorry to hear your sad news.

The A&E doctors are the worst of the lot in our experience as well, they seem to know a little bit about a lot of stuff but not enough about anything specific. And it is the specific stuff that gets you.

Last time my wife was hospitalised the various doctors could not even agree amongst themselves and kept changing her medication, in the end she had to come home to actually get any better.

We have just paid to go for a private consultation in order to get to the bottom of my wife's heart problems, in doing so we have saved about a year of messing around waiting for NHS doctors to get their fingers out, and she is now on the waiting list for an operation which will hopefully sort it out.

Phil
24 August 2016 at 10:44 #252067
NJH
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Clive & Phil

I'm very sorry to hear of your bad experiences with A & E – I guess that's hard to forgive.

Just to redress the balance a bit my experience there is wholly positive. One Sunday morning, a while ago, my wife said she felt unwell (and looked it!) so I called 999 and an ambulance arrived which gave a blue lights and sirens trip to A&E. They re-started her heart (which saved her life) and diagnosed an "Electrical" defect in the heart muscle. She was referred to the Royal Brompton hospital ( who are apparently the experts in "matters of the heart" ) where they gave her a "permanent fix" – by cauterising part of the heart muscle ! She is now fine – good old NHS.

Norman
24 August 2016 at 11:40 #252073
Neil Wyatt
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Hello Clive,

I'm really sorry to hear about your wife; your many interestss can't compensate for such a loss, but I hope that they do at least help you cope.

Neil
24 August 2016 at 13:10 #252080
Phil P
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Posted by NJH on 24/08/2016 10:44:52:

Clive & Phil

I'm very sorry to hear of your bad experiences with A & E – I guess that's hard to forgive.

Just to redress the balance a bit my experience there is wholly positive. One Sunday morning, a while ago, my wife said she felt unwell (and looked it!) so I called 999 and an ambulance arrived which gave a blue lights and sirens trip to A&E. They re-started her heart (which saved her life) and diagnosed an "Electrical" defect in the heart muscle. She was referred to the Royal Brompton hospital ( who are apparently the experts in "matters of the heart" ) where they gave her a "permanent fix" – by cauterising part of the heart muscle ! She is now fine – good old NHS.

Norman

That's exactly the operation my wife is now on the waiting list for, it is called "Catheter Ablation"

The specialist we paid to see, said she needs it ASAP, but A&E sent her home with a packet of Beta Blockers. She collapsed in the street the following day with ultra low blood pressure because of the Beta Blockers, thankfully someone found her and got her back home and I came home from work and took her straight back to hospital.

The admissions doctor said "she had been very lucky" if she had collapsed indoors and not been found the story might have had a different ending.

Anyway, enough of this, sorry I did not mean to hi-jack the original thread.

Phil

Edited By Phil P on 24/08/2016 13:12:02
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