A round peg in a round hole

Advert

A round peg in a round hole

Home Forums Workshop Tools and Tooling A round peg in a round hole

Viewing 16 posts - 1 through 16 (of 16 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #479490
    C J
    Participant
      @cj88518

      I want to make a number of round pegs with a central flange to join some round tubes with brazing but I want the diameter on one side of the flange to be eccentric to the other by varying amounts on each peg.

      I have seen the trick where a piece of metal is placed between the jaw of a chuck and the workpiece to create eccentricity but I would like to be able to dial it in like you can with some boring bar heads.

      The tubes to be joined have an inside diameter of 15mm so I have thought of using a small chuck mounted on a small dovetail cross slide, which in turn is mounted on a faceplate, which might seem like overkill and something only to be used at low speed but one that would produce repeatable results, if I can first find a lightweight, low profile cross slide for this set up?

       

       

       

       

      Edited By C J on 13/06/2020 08:14:47

      Advert
      #19814
      C J
      Participant
        @cj88518
        #479494
        Michael Gilligan
        Participant
          @michaelgilligan61133

          It would be simple to make a custom ‘chuck’ to do this

          1. Stub of bar, bored eccentrically
          2. Plug to fit that bore, bored for 15mm, with the same offset.
          3. means of securing one to t’other at various degrees of rotation
          4. means of securing workpiece.
          5. Rotation varies the work offset from zero to twice the offset you bored.
          6. Maths … tedious, but should not be difficult

          MichaelG.

          #479496
          JasonB
          Moderator
            @jasonb

            Will your boring head screw off it's shank, if so just put that in the 3 or 4-jaw. Simple straight shank backplate to fit the boring head so chuck can be mounted or even just a bit of bar with a 15mm hole to take one end of bar locked with a grub screw so other end can be turned eccentric to it.

            Alternative is to hold work in toolpost or on vertical slide and put boring head into lathe spindle with an external tool and then just use cross slide handwheel to set the offsets

            Edited By JasonB on 13/06/2020 08:39:38

            #479497
            C J
            Participant
              @cj88518

              I see what you mean but I am trying to avoid tedium and like the idea of a dial-able cross slide Set up

              #479499
              C J
              Participant
                @cj88518

                Jason, Are you suggesting I make a peg holder to fit into a boring head?

                Edited By C J on 13/06/2020 08:47:36

                #479501
                C J
                Participant
                  @cj88518

                  …. in which the workpiece is held by grub screws and I could dial in as much or less 180 degree eccentricity as I like

                  Sounds like job done!

                  #479505
                  Clive Foster
                  Participant
                    @clivefoster55965

                    You may be overthinking this.

                    For small offsets its quite satisfactory to simply put the first made end in a four jaw chuck and push it sideways using one pair of jaws. Measure the shift using a dial gauge. Alternatively the the cross slide dial will do the job if you fit an upright to the back side of your cross slide out of the way of the cutting tool and bring that up to touch the work.

                    For larger offsets put a suitable hole to take the first end in a rectangular block and move the whole thing sideways. You will need a clamp screw or two to hold things. As teh end is to go inside a tube I guess it would be OK to put a flat or two on to help the clamp screw hold. Split and closing screw ould be best but more work.

                    If you don't have too many to do and have a milling machine it might actually be quicker to make dedicated holders for each offset.

                    Folk like us tend to be a little too economical with material and fight shy of disposable tooling. if its a one time job its not worth spending ages doing proper tooling. Spacer blocks may be an easier alternative to pushing with the chuck jaw. I have a gash set of gauge blocks kept for this sort of thing. Although they no longer wring tigether any sense they are fine for such work and still way overkill for accuracy.

                    Clive

                    #479513
                    Michael Gilligan
                    Participant
                      @michaelgilligan61133
                      Posted by C J on 13/06/2020 08:38:37:

                      I see what you mean but I am trying to avoid tedium and like the idea of a dial-able cross slide Set up

                      .

                      Might be best to look at what the ‘Ornamental Turners’ use.

                      MichaelG.

                      #479518
                      Michael Gilligan
                      Participant
                        @michaelgilligan61133
                        Posted by C J on 13/06/2020 08:55:20:

                        …. in which the workpiece is held by grub screws and I could dial in as much or less 180 degree eccentricity as I like

                        Sounds like job done!

                        .

                        I didn’t realise that you already had a boring head blush

                        MichaelG.

                        #479529
                        C J
                        Participant
                          @cj88518

                          Sorry, Yes I do have one, and thought of cutting the pegs mounted on a vertical slide with the cutting tool in the other way round, but now I’m sold on the idea of a peg holder fitted in my MT2 boring bar head held by a draw bar in spindle of my S7

                          Not a great deal of mass flying round and simple

                          Edited By C J on 13/06/2020 09:40:36

                          #479653
                          C J
                          Participant
                            @cj88518

                            But of a disappointment, as I found the central cutter hole of my boring head doesn’t spin true by 0.5 mm at right angles to it’s slide, so as things stand I can’t start from true, or on this hole anyway!

                             

                             

                             

                            Edited By C J on 13/06/2020 19:02:33

                            #479656
                            JasonB
                            Moderator
                              @jasonb

                              That's why I said put the head in your 4 jaw so you can clock the hole in the head true.

                              Or if you want to use the taper mount then put the spigot of your holding adaptor into the boring head and bore the hole for the 15mm part while held in the boring head this will ensure your part runs true at "zero" then you can feed in any offset you want.

                              Edited By JasonB on 13/06/2020 19:05:22

                              #479658
                              C J
                              Participant
                                @cj88518

                                Oh well sad back to the drawing board, or lathe.

                                img-2702.jpg

                                 

                                Edited By C J on 13/06/2020 19:18:37

                                #479682
                                old mart
                                Participant
                                  @oldmart

                                  You would be better off using an independent four jaw chuck, then you can set the exact eccentricity.

                                  #479712
                                  Hopper
                                  Participant
                                    @hopper

                                    You could mount a disc on your 4-jaw chuck key and mark suitable graduations on it to measure exactly the jaw movement and therefore offset. EG if your chuck jaws' thread is 10tpi, scribe 100 graduations on the disc and each one is one thou movement.

                                    Then you set the first job up to run dead true all round. Then using the numbered jaws, loosen jaws 1 and 2 to take the job out, then move jaw 3 by the measured amount on the disc to achieve desired offset. Then tighten jaws 1 and 2 on the new job to be turned offset. Repeat process for each new offset.

                                    Otherwise, ISTR one of GH Thomas's books somewhere has a list of the amount of offset gained in the 3 jaw chuck by inserting various size shims on one jaw. I can't find it though. His indexes are not as comprehensive as his articles.

                                    Edited By Hopper on 14/06/2020 02:42:11

                                  Viewing 16 posts - 1 through 16 (of 16 total)
                                  • Please log in to reply to this topic. Registering is free and easy using the links on the menu at the top of this page.

                                  Advert

                                  Latest Replies

                                  Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)
                                  Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)

                                  View full reply list.

                                  Advert

                                  Newsletter Sign-up