Denford TDS23 drill spindle bearings

Advert

Denford TDS23 drill spindle bearings

Home Forums Workshop Tools and Tooling Denford TDS23 drill spindle bearings

Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #451729
    Martin of Wick
    Participant
      @martinofwick

      Having acquired a cosmetically tatty but mechanically sound Denford Viceroy TDS23 floor standing pedestal drill, the process of restoration has started. I was amazed how smooth and precise the spindle and quill assembly was even after decades of neglect.

      On extracting the mechanical, parts all bearings feel perfectly smooth and without play. However, where there is some leaked grease, it has the consistency of putty! I have a feeling this may be the case inside the bearing too (cant see because they have pressed metal shields).

      So am asking for some advice – should I simply futureproof and replace all bearings with new ones? – cost is moderate, about £30-35.

      Or

      Attempt to clean out the old grease in hot paraffin and regrease by leaving in molten grease for a while hoping the bearing cavity will fill?

      Or leave alone and replace as is once all of the structural components have been cleaned and painted?

      Secondly, has anyone any advice how to extract the column from the cast iron foot casting – I am guessing a great deal of heat will be required, but I am afraid of cracking the base by too much rough treatment.

      Thanks,

      Martin.

       

       

       

       

      Edited By Martin of Wick on 11/02/2020 14:00:05

      Advert
      #19622
      Martin of Wick
      Participant
        @martinofwick

        Renew or replace?

        #451767
        David George 1
        Participant
          @davidgeorge1

          I wouldn't hesitate just replace with quality bearings or you may have to sooner rather than later.

          David

          #451894
          Dave Halford
          Participant
            @davehalford22513

            Not known sealed bearings leak enough grease to notice, are you sure it hasn't come from the quill?

            #451899
            Martin of Wick
            Participant
              @martinofwick

              Initially I was looking at the pulley spindle bearings, where there was a small ring of hard congealed white grease around the shaft.

              Couldn't tell with the lower spindle bearings under the muck and grime of half a century my concern was that any grease inside the bearings has gone or dried out.

              Much as I want to save money on the resto, I think DG is right and new bearings are called for – especially after the effort involved in removing the lower spindle/quill bearings this morning. I did note that although the thrust bearing looked perfect, it did feel slightly rough when cleaned and run dry.

              Once the drill is fully cleaned, repainted rewired etc, I don't think I will want to be dismantling it again for a long while so new bearings are probably a time saving investment.

              .

              #451903
              not done it yet
              Participant
                @notdoneityet

                I’m with Dave on this one. If the sealed bearings are sound, they may well serve another 50 years – depends on how many of those 50 years, already gone, were when it was worked hard. Modern bearings of similar qualith mightbbe more expensive than those you are quoting!

                Also depends on what force was necessary to extract those used bearings. Your choice on your experience with the overhaul. I would not hesitate on doing the right thing, knowing the precise details on which to make that decision.

                #451933
                Martin of Wick
                Participant
                  @martinofwick

                  Nothing to be gained by not getting a new bearing set once I started to molest them!

                  Just pressed the button on a set from Simply Bearings – SKF for the pulley spindle, thrust bearing and Nachi for the quill/spindle. Total cost seemed OK at £40 delivered.

                  The blurb for Nachi gulled me as it suggested that spec bearing was designed to handle axial loads better than the avge bearing optimised mainly for radial load. Whether 'tis true or not is another matter. Still it is a quality bearing.

                  Now have to go out and buy a bigger hydraulic press (as in longer) so I can get the bloody spindle in!

                  #452009
                  Dave Halford
                  Participant
                    @davehalford22513
                    Posted by Martin of Wick on 12/02/2020 19:39:58:

                    I did note that although the thrust bearing looked perfect, it did feel slightly rough when cleaned and run dry.

                    Martin,

                    Even new bearings will make a rushing noise and feel a bit rough when bone dry, if there's a bad spot they 'catch' when you spin them.

                    #452015
                    Hopper
                    Participant
                      @hopper

                      Naachi is a good brand of bearing. You can believe what they say.

                      Your steel shielded bearings do not actually seal around the inner diameter, that is why grease can leak out, and swarf eventually can get in. So good to replace them. Rubber sealed bearings are fully sealed but not used on drills and grinders because the friction on start up can be bad for their low-starting-torque motors.

                      Hydraulic press to get the spindle in??? Dont put press pressure on those new bearings. It can dimple the races. Can you tap the bearings onto the spindle by using a piece of tube that bears onto the inner race? Then heat the quill up so it expands and the bearing outer race slides into position? (Dont heat the bearings, you'll lose the grease.)

                      #452036
                      Martin of Wick
                      Participant
                        @martinofwick

                        Hopper, the bearings were bloody hard to get off the spindles and as you say will take some planning and polishing to get back on without damage.

                        I shall be getting some thick wall tubing and fitting plates to match the diameters of the inner and outer races/full bearing to use as seating tools. The pully spindle is fairly straight forward.

                        In the case of the main spindle, I have to get the lower bearing over the upper bearing land before locating the spindle with lower bearing in the quill, then squeeze the upper bearing down on the upper bearing land and into the top of the (hot) quill.

                        An 'interesting' job I think.

                        #452123
                        David George 1
                        Participant
                          @davidgeorge1

                          You can heat the bearings to around 100deg C and put the shafts in the freezer to help fitting as long as you have got the correct size drifts and location pieces.

                          David

                        Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total)
                        • Please log in to reply to this topic. Registering is free and easy using the links on the menu at the top of this page.

                        Advert

                        Latest Replies

                        Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)
                        Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)

                        View full reply list.

                        Advert

                        Newsletter Sign-up