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    Benny Avelin
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      Hello Everybody!

      I have a D180x300 lathe, essentially its a copy of the Optimum mini lathe. I have made quite a number of mods, like scraping the saddle and top-slide. I have managed to get it to the point that I can take fairly deep cuts in steel.

      However, engaging the leadscrew is slightly difficult, seems like there is not much tolerance and the carriage can even start moving if I dont manage to get the threads to engage. This is actually a minor problem, the bigger problem is that if I am taking a deeper cut, say 2mm off the diameter or more, then the half-nut is very hard to disengage and if I am taking anything deeper I essentially have to stop the lathe and run it backwards to be able to disengage the leadscrew.

      At my fathers place I have a myford 7 and I dont recall having that problem with that machine.

      Does anyone else have problems disengaging their half-nuts on their mini lathes?

      Edited By Benny Avelin on 24/02/2017 09:45:34

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      Benny Avelin
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        #285735
        mechman48
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          @mechman48

          I always ensure that my 'nuts' are not engaged in my machine in any way, shape, or form … face 20 face 20 devil devil … sorry, just couldn't miss the opportunity…

          George.

          #285752
          Bazyle
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            @bazyle

            How do the nuts move? Do they both slide like in a Myford and could there be burrs or something stopping the free movement, especially if they get canted over under the pressure of the cut.

            #285754
            Benny Avelin
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              @bennyavelin86238

              Hey George, are we having fun laugh

               

              Bazyle, I have a picture from the manual so you can see how it works. It is an adjustable dovetail that I maybe need to adjust now that you got me thinking of canting over, there are no burrs as far as I can see. Isnt this exactly how the Myford is constructed? Maybe the range of motion is so small that when under high pressure the flex is so large that there is no way of disengaging?

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              Edited By Benny Avelin on 24/02/2017 12:49:56

              #285759
              Howi
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                Posted by mechman48 on 24/02/2017 11:26:05:

                I always ensure that my 'nuts' are not engaged in my machine in any way, shape, or form … face 20 face 20 devil devil … sorry, just couldn't miss the opportunity…

                George.

                You obviously do not know what you are missing! devil

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                SillyOldDuffer
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                  Posted by Benny Avelin on 24/02/2017 09:23:24:

                  Does anyone else have problems disengaging their half-nuts on their mini lathes?

                  Edited By Benny Avelin on 24/02/2017 09:45:34

                  I had a similar issue on mine after stripping it down to replace broken gears inside the headstock.

                  On re-assembly, assuming it 'just went back together', I misaligned the leadscrew causing the nut to bind rather as you describe. With the slide halfway down the bed it was possible to see the leadscrew bending slightly as the nut clamped on. Not good!

                  The cure was simple: I slackened off both end bearings and readjusted the fixings so that the leadscrew was parallel with the bed and at the right vertical distance to suit the nut. I vaguely remember the vertical part was achieved by closing the half-nut mid-way on a floating leadscrew, ie before tightening the two end bearings in position. With the leadscrew nearly right, I rechecked the half-nut's grip in various positions along the bed and soon got the leadscrew 'spot on' with a few minor tweaks. However I mended it, it wasn't difficult once I realised what was wrong.

                  Dave

                  #285772
                  Neil Wyatt
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                    Hi Benny,

                    It's a standard mini-lathe, although I have no idea which factory it comes out of.

                    Check the leadscrew alignment as Dave suggests. Get it in the correct vertical postion, then also move the saddle near the headstock, slacken the two apron fixing screws and adjust the apron position until opening and closing the nuts does not deflect the leadscrew horizontally.

                    Make sure the half-nut gib is adjusted to give smooth movement without binding.

                    There is also the long grub screw into the bottom half nut, this should be adjusted so the half-nuts do not grip the leadscrew too tightly. This ensure better repeatability when screw cutting. Interestingly, Martin Cleeve added a similar adjuster to his Myford Super 7 and it's one of a few features to be found on Mini-lathes that are absent from S7s to make up for the absence of a leadscrew hand wheel

                    Neil

                    #285826
                    Benny Avelin
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                      @bennyavelin86238

                      Oh, this is an interesting problem. Actually I noticed the leadscrew moving while engaging the half nut back when I got the lathe. The way I adjusted it was as follows: I first moved the carriage to the tailstock end and engaged the half nut, then tightened the right mount for the leadscrew. Then I moved the carriage to the headstock and tightened, then back to the tailstock again and then to the headstock again to really avoid any height differences. After that I changed the position of the apron so that the horizontal movement at the middle of the leadscrew was visibly nonexistent. The movement of the leadscrew was invisible to my eyes, but per your suggestions I re-checked it and this time with an indicator. The lift is 0.1mm and the horizontal shift (toward the operator) 0.04mm. I am unsure about tolerances but this seems unproblematic.

                      Next, I checked the dovetail and it seems tight and smooth, there is however lots of play in the actual lever mechanism, I think this is the two pins sliding in the slots of the disc (see sketch above). Interestingly it is enough to try to turn the handwheel when the lathe is off and the half nut engaged to have trouble disengaging it, and even more interesting is that its much worse in one direction, i.e. the one that I experience while turning. Maybe I need to disassemble the apron and check everything.

                      Thanks for the suggestions, this forum is great!

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