Yet another scam lathe sale on ebay to be aware of

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

He has 2 identical m/c's for sale at different prices? Feedback is old also & a bit strange??

Tony

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by br on 06/01/2021 19:15:46:

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:10:54:

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

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Pete

You need to tell ebay as well , and ask members to join in and tell ebay also.

I seehis lathe advert has been taken down again for the 3rd time today

br

My lathe has gone, for now, other than report it, not much you can do, it's a pretty grey area, the general consensus from scams of this type from Internet searches, is you willingly gave your money to someone without checking who they are, and what they're selling, so it's tuff luck.

Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:32:23

[PUPParticipant @pup]

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:42:35:

Posted by br on 06/01/2021 19:15:46:

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:10:54:

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

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Pete

You need to tell ebay as well , and ask members to join in and tell ebay also.

I seehis lathe advert has been taken down again for the 3rd time today

br

My lathe has gone, for now, other than report it, not much you can do, it's a pretty grey area, the general consensus from scams of this type from Internet searches, is you willingly gave your money to someone without checking who they are, and what they're selling, so it's tuff luck.

Yes, that is about the size of it. That's what Action Fraud and my bank told me.

Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:32:51

[GavlarParticipant @gavlar]

Posted by Ivy on 06/01/2021 19:39:39:

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 06/01/2021 19:33:01:

He has 2 identical m/c's for sale at different prices? Feedback is old also & a bit strange??

Tony

Give them a ring tel deleted

Simply ringing the numbert he' has given you in the ad won't tell you much unless you expect scammers to cave in as soon as you ask if an item is legit.. Calling then asking them to call you back via a land line would help. Anyone can do basic checks of a land line number and genuine sellers won't mind, after all this lathe is being sold by a business seller so they will have a landline.

You could for also check this seller by Googling the company and contacting them via their website (not foolproof but pretty good) and as a business, you could probably pay them with a credit card, which is much the safest way to pay, where possible.

To be honest, this item doesn't raise my suspisions in the way Boxford man did.

Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:34:01

[Mark EasingwoodParticipant @markeasingwood33578]

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:10:54:

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

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Probably not a scammer, active Limited company since 2009, accounts filed up to date, genuine VAT number. Ebay account name is same as Company Secretary.

Limited companies, and VAT numbers, are easy to check out on Companies House website.

Scammers should be called out, but got to be careful not to libel genuine people./companies If libel is the right word.

Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:34:38

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by Mark Easingwood on 06/01/2021 22:51:02:

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:10:54:

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

deleted

Probably not a scammer, active Limited company since 2009, accounts filed up to date, genuine VAT number. Ebay account name is same as Company Secretary.

Limited companies, and VAT numbers, are easy to check out on Companies House website.

Scammers should be called out, but got to be careful not to libel genuine people./companies If libel is the right word.

You're absolutely correct, which is why I corrected myself soon after, if ebay just got rid of PayPal, this wouldn't be an issue, business sellers already have the option to bypass PayPal, bank to bank payments within eBay, hopefully private sellers get this option soon.

Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:34:53

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Using PayPal is an excellent protection for the buyer against fraud.

Tony

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I've been through the last 12hrs postings and deleted the refs to the item being discussed as it would seem they are genuine.

[Derek cottissParticipant @derekcottiss41883]

so if we get the guys nane and bid his stuff up to silly money then cancel 24hrs before or win and collect ?

[Anthony KendallParticipant @anthonykendall53479]

Posted by Derek cottiss on 07/01/2021 10:14:41:

so if we get the guys name and bid his stuff up to silly money then cancel 24hrs before or win and collect ?

You could, but you would be an irresponsible trader and, hopefully, dealt with as such.

I find ebay a valuable resource – been in it from the start with 1500+ transactions. Altering algorithms etc. has so far only resulted in making it more difficult for genuine traders whilst trying to prevent others from being stupid.
I think anyone who bought a lathe unseen and then, still unseen, paid by bank transfer would be being amazingly stupid.
Leave ebay alone please.

[Derek cottissParticipant @derekcottiss41883]

Posted by Anthony Kendall on 07/01/2021 11:10:44:

Posted by Derek cottiss on 07/01/2021 10:14:41:

so if we get the guys name and bid his stuff up to silly money then cancel 24hrs before or win and collect ?

You could, but you would be an irresponsible trader and, hopefully, dealt with as such.

I find ebay a valuable resource – been in it from the start with 1500+ transactions. Altering algorithms etc. has so far only resulted in making it more difficult for genuine traders whilst trying to prevent others from being stupid.
I think anyone who bought a lathe unseen and then, still unseen, paid by bank transfer would be being amazingly stupid.
Leave ebay alone please.

i guess with 2300 odd feed i kind of know how it works sadly people trust each other on the whole and people like that seller ruin it for the majority as do the dodgy buyers . E BAY dont really care as long as they get the listing fees i guess as for them its all about the profit (something we caught them out on years ago with their incorect interpretations of VAT chargable but that was on our old business account ) .Make it difficult or time consuming for the scammers and they will go away . But you know best mate crack on …

[stevef53Participant @stevef53]

Another dodgy dealer. i was looking for a sine bar on eBay. Check out the super cheap mitutoyo offer for £8+pp. Seller has no selling history, no returns allowed, a price about one tenth of what you would expect to pay for the item, and other items from the same seller ALL mitutoyo and ALL super cheap.Yeah right.

Its a shame because i buy and sell on eBay, usually get good deals from good people and think it performs a useful service. Sure they make money, but allowing this sort of thing to persist will deter people from using it, and that won't help us folk trying to get good equipment at reasonable cost.

[GavlarParticipant @gavlar]

Carefull. ALL ebay ads default to 'returns not accepted'. His are auctions with low start prices, so not selling cheap. They are seven day listings. He is not suggesting any form of unreturnable payment. He is not based out of the way and he does accept paypal. The only thing he is a new seller but that doesn't automatically mean it's a scam. If paying by paypal you are protected. Paypal won't immediatly release funds to new users, they hold on to the money a couple of weeks just to make sure. Buy from him and either collect or pay with paypal and you should be ok.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Agree with Gavlar, pay with Paypal & no item is received you get a full refund.

Tony

[IvyParticipant @ivy]

Here we go again.

Item number 284141767112

If enough people report it ebay may take the reports seriously.

[GavlarParticipant @gavlar]

Yes, definate scam. All the usual with plagerised ads from genuine sellers. See his other items also.

Edited By Gavlar on 08/01/2021 19:31:17

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Apparently it's got a quick change gear box & 26-3000 rpm spindle speed plus a metric threaded nose, 1" headstock bore & 4 MT in the spindle? Some ML7!! Item reported to Ebay.

Tony

Edited By Tony Pratt 1 on 08/01/2021 19:14:23

Edited By Tony Pratt 1 on 08/01/2021 19:16:45

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

I'm sick of people like this!

I'm going to bid this to the celling!!!!

Jim

[IvyParticipant @ivy]

Posted by jimmy b on 08/01/2021 19:34:48:

I'm sick of people like this!

I'm going to bid this to the celling!!!!

Jim

Go for it.

He's block me after I bid up one a while back and said I would come and collect with cash.

[GavlarParticipant @gavlar]

Looks like enough people have reported him. eBay have removed his listings. Keep your eye out, he'll be back soon with a new Monica..

Edited By Gavlar on 08/01/2021 22:04:11

[Martin 100Participant @martin100]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 08/01/2021 12:51:18:

Agree with Gavlar, pay with Paypal & no item is received you get a full refund.

Tony

As I have mentioned here previously you cannot always rely on PayPal ‘protection’ for certain classes of goods.

Equipment used in the home workshop CAN easily fall foul of the PayPal terms and conditions especially when they are in most cases the sole arbiter

For instance:

In the current UK PayPal agreement (link below)

Ineligible items and transactions under PayPal Buyer Protection

• Industrial machinery used in manufacturing.

https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full

Having experienced the totally dire and utterly bizarre PayPal ‘customer service’ and ‘legal’ department based in Dublin a few years ago upon receiving a counterfeit item I hold the position that they were and possibly remain a company standing well apart from every other high street financial institution operating in the UK and the EU.

[Dr. MC BlackParticipant @dr-mcblack73214]

I have just spotted this listing for a Taig Lathe:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184613082999?ul_noapp=true

I find it suspicious that there's only a photograph of a leaflet and no photographs of the lathe and no indication of what's included.

I assume that the listing is NOT just for the leaflet – it would be silly to pay £45 for a leaflet!!

My very best wishes for a Happy, Healthy, Peaceful, Successful, Prosperous, Stress- and Covid-free New Year.

MC

[Clive Brown 1Participant @clivebrown1]

Posted by MC Black on 09/01/2021 12:48:07:

I have just spotted this listing for a Taig Lathe:

I find it suspicious that there's only a photograph of a leaflet and no photographs of the lathe and no indication of what's included.

I assume that the listing is NOT just for the leaflet – it would be silly to pay £45 for a leaflet

I wouldn't assume that without confirmation. There have been instances of bidders finding that they have paid dearly for an artfully described empty box, not the, eg, mobile 'phone that they expected. Item "as described" so I don't know how Paypal/Ebay would respond.

However, this ad. does say pick-up is possible.

[Roy VaughnParticipant @royvaughn26060]

Listing says it's a book under Condition, and seller's name and address is included at the end. I'm looking at the desktop site, not the mobile one.

[Dr. MC BlackParticipant @dr-mcblack73214]

I have written to ask for photographs of the lathe and details of accessories.

MC

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