Yet another scam lathe sale on ebay to be aware of

[Rod RenshawParticipant @rodrenshaw28584]

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Buyer beware, I suppose.

Perhaps Ebay can improve their algorithm to watch out for postings with a remote location, a 24 hour listing, little feedback, a note of urgency and mention of bank transfer etc ( rather than Paypal) If a single posting has all of these elements then perhaps a warning to potential bidders could be added ( like Facebook, or was it Twitter, has apparently been adding to President Trump's postings ) Just dreaming.

I will certainly look at postings in new light now!

Rod

[Alistair Robertson 1Participant @alistairrobertson1]

I think this is the same guy who was supposedly selling a Haas CNC milling machine that was listed as being in Orkney in the north of Scotland. The listing mentioned my friends post code as the location. When I said my friend would have a look at it, the listing was withdrawn as "sold" and that was that, but during the next month the machine was listed in Spain, Germany, Canada and twice in the USA with the same photos and details.

The company in Colorado who actually had the machine on their premises and on their website (and whose photos were used) but not on Ebay were contacted by a company who offered to list their machine on Ebay and other selling sites!

He obviously gave up on expensive machines and went for cheaper machines in the hope that someone would fall for his ploy.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember12892]

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[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Most likely a good idea to all be aware and report on this thread any listing for sale on any media that has all the signs of being a scam, if the item offered is genuine the seller can provide details to support his/her claim if made aware of the reported scam.

Emgee

[the artfull-codgerParticipant @theartfull-codger]

I think we should all give a big thank you to Lily Pup for having the decency [& guts] to bring this to our attention,it's certainly made me a lot more cautious now.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by the artfull-codger on 06/01/2021 13:14:46:

I think we should all give a big thank you to Lily Pup […]

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Amen to that ^^^

MichaelG.

[GavlarParticipant @gavlar]

I did not start this thread to put anyone off ebay. It is a fantastic resource if used sensibly. I've bought and sold literally thousands of times with only minor issues. I've also bought or sold perhaps 20 items in the £1k – £2k range unseen with no real problem. (Sellers being a little economical with the descriptions of condition is as bad as it gets).

I was a police officer most of my working life. Like most police officers I can be overly suspisious and cynical and I don't believe in coincidence!

A new seller selling a high value item is not in itself a reason not to buy but with all the other contra indicators; recent feedback for low value items, short duration auctions with the item in a remote location (How many people reading could get to Dunoon to view within the time constraints of a 24 hour auction?) BACS as payment, refusal to accept paypal and the biggest one, plagerised description and photos.

Ask the seller an awkward question or for a photo of an obscure part, something he won't be able to get from the net, say, the underside of the tail stock. A genuine seller won't mind. I've run down the garden to my workshop in the middle of the night with a camera and tape measure in order to answer questions before now.

All that being said, I've had some real bargains from new sellers, just be carefull, go with your head not your heart. If it lookslike a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

[PUPParticipant @pup]

I can not take credit for starting this thread.

I just want people to be aware it can and does happen to normally sensible, cautious people. perhaps I was being greedy, or just could not believe my luck with this "bargain".

The best way to combat this fraud is to make others aware through a shared platform like this.

Have the moderators considered a catagory for highlighting this sort of thing. It maybe open to abuse and malice though.

[Anthony KendallParticipant @anthonykendall53479]

Posted by Gavlar on 06/01/2021 14:44:21:

I did not start this thread to put anyone off ebay. It is a fantastic resource if used sensibly. I've bought and sold literally thousands of times with only minor issues. I've also bought or sold perhaps 20 items in the £1k – £2k range unseen with no real problem. (Sellers being a little economical with the descriptions of condition is as bad as it gets).I was a police officer most of my working life. Like most police officers I can be overly suspisious and cynical and I don't believe in coincidence!A new seller selling a high value item is not in itself a reason not to buy but with all the other contra indicators; recent feedback for low value items, short duration auctions with the item in a remote location (How many people reading could get to Dunoon to view within the time constraints of a 24 hour auction?) BACS as payment, refusal to accept paypal and the biggest one, plagerised description and photos.Ask the seller an awkward question or for a photo of an obscure part, something he won't be able to get from the net, say, the underside of the tail stock. A genuine seller won't mind. I've run down the garden to my workshop in the middle of the night with a camera and tape measure in order to answer questions before now.All that being said, I've had some real bargains from new sellers, just be carefull, go with your head not your heart. If it lookslike a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Well said Gaviar – totally agree.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember12892]

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[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

On Ebay it says that he has been a member since 04/01/2021 (2 days!) but he has 10 good feedbacks.

Brian

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by br on 06/01/2021 12:34:51:

Alister

These various locations you mention only assists the scammer and could be tightened up .

Perhaps ebay should tie the location into their registered address so member location cannot be altered.

Collection from ? — could then be an add on or seller to put in listing

br

Edited By br on 06/01/2021 12:35:23

That would stop children from selling a deceased parents workshop and if the seller puts the real location as Dunoon we are back where we started.

[TomekParticipant @tomek]

Posted by br on 06/01/2021 15:35:47:

Oh dear. It seems to have disappeared

Don't worry. I'm sure it will be back soon. Might be different user name or location, maybe different lathe. And if we keep looking and pointing out scams like this eventually he will switch to different category. Car parts, rare collectibles, antiques… People like this won't give up easily

[davidkParticipant @davidk]

He's just relisted both items again!

David

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Brian H on 06/01/2021 15:40:34:

On Ebay it says that he has been a member since 04/01/2021 (2 days!) but he has 10 good feedbacks.

Brian

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All of them as a Buyer

MichaelG.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember12892]

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[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by br on 06/01/2021 08:21:02:

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 00:50:13:

15 minutes ago I bid on this, the seller has just blocked me and removed my bids, there's a pretty good chance he's reading this forum.

Good for you for having a go.

Agree he must be reading this forum, either as an outsider or more worrying, as a member ?

Ebay are aware and are monitoring him and say that he will be suspended or banned if need be.

br

He seems to have decent knowledge of what appeals to people, more than the average persons knowledge on this subject, it is very suspicious.

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

I've just replied to the lathe advert and asked him if this is another scam!

Brian

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

I've just replied to the lathe advert and asked him if this is another scam!

Brian

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

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Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:30:01

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember12892]

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[IvyParticipant @ivy]

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:10:54:

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

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That looks genuine to me.

Business name and address, a member since 2016 and not really that remote, Norfolk.

Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:30:51

[WatfordParticipant @watford]

Posted by Ivy on 06/01/2021 19:23:06:

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:10:54:

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

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That looks genuine to me.

Business name and address, a member since 2016 and not really that remote, Norfolk.

 

Google 'little man' shows address to be an office block amongst other posh office blocks. Not a workshop in sight.

 

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Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:31:21

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by Ivy on 06/01/2021 19:23:06:

Posted by Pete. on 06/01/2021 19:10:54:

He's popped up on another account, 4 listing, 2 cnc lathe type machines, instructions PayPal is not accepted, hope it's OK to post a link in the interest of stopping people being scammed.

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That looks genuine to me.

Business name and address, a member since 2016 and not really that remote, Norfolk.

I think you're right, seemed suspicious asking for no payment with PayPal and no feedback, this scamming thing can make you quite distrustful.

Edited By JasonB on 07/01/2021 09:31:45

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

I'd say genuine seller.

Boxford man clearly scammer.

Jim

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