White spirit in cutting/tapping oil recipe ?

[BWParticipant @bw]

Hello,

MEW #72 in the letters section

1 part turps : 2 parts white spirit : 3 parts olive oil

Is White Spirit what we would call Methylated Spirit in Australia i.e. you might use it to clean windows or in a spirit burner under a fondue but you wouldn't use it to thin paint ? You would use Turpentine to thin paint.

I get the impression USA call Turps white spirits and White Spirits is something else again in UK and I have never used it in AUstralia so dont know what it would be used for.

AM keen to find out what the white spirits referred to in this recipe might be called in Australia, any ideas ?

Regards

Bill

[BWParticipant @bw]

[Gary WoodingParticipant @garywooding25363]

In UK, white spirit is Turpentine substitute.

[BWParticipant @bw]

This explains it

**LINK**

Bill

[Bruce EdneyParticipant @bruceedney59949]

Hi Bill

Try Bunnings

Here in NZ Bunnings has Digger brand white spirits, meths and turps in the painting dept. I assume tit would be the same on the Western Isle.

Bruce

[GrottoParticipant @grotto]

Here in NZ white spirits has been marketed under numerous names by the oil companies. We had Shellite, Calite, and a few others.

You should be able to get it at Bunnings, they sell it as "Diggers Shellite" and "Fuelite". It's used in Coleman lanterns and stoves (Coleman do their own but I can't recall what they call it).

It's pretty much same as petrol with no additives (which may clean your engine, but block your lantern or stove).

Quite different from Turps, as it evaporates leaving nothing behind, whereas turps leaves an oily residue.

I'll give your recipe a try, as it will be way less expensive than tapping fluid.

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

White spirit and olive oil…sounds like WD40…

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Grottos' about right, it's basically a low grade petrol, can't remember the octane rating, I think it maybe around 50. It would probably be good for running a model IC engine, perhaps a hit and miss type, not a high compression engine.

Ian S C

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

Hi All,
I first saw this recipe some years ago in one of Guy Lautard’s excellent books. Can vouch for its efficiacy.
BTW, he also recommended another concoction which I also use. Its for lathe beds. Mixed up from EP90 (high pressure gear oil) and Molybdenum oil for the graphite particles which will remain in every tiny crevice and a small amount of “STP” being a very sticky treacly substance which makes the concoction stay put. This appears to be good. I mix up couple of pints at a time and shake well before use.It lasts long time so forgotten exact proportions. Will have to sort through my loft library for GL s books and put note of it in my toolbox.
John

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

Hey Guys, if you get white spirit on your hands and fingernails expect problems as it penetrates quite deeply and will start to rot the Quick around your nails, ask me why I know. I now use industrial gloves to prevent contact. We used it to degrease Instrument parts and then wash in detergent and then into the ultrasonic tank.

It also evaporates into the atmosphere and into the ozone layer eventually.

Clive

[Roderick JenkinsParticipant @roderickjenkins93242]

I think the antipodean equivalent of the UK's white spirit (turpentine substitute) is mineral turpentine, not Coleman type fuel which is a white, low octane gasoline as Ian so rightly says.

HTH

Rod

[Gary WoodingParticipant @garywooding25363]

1 part turps : 2 parts white spirit : 3 parts olive oil

I forgot to mention, in my club at least, this mixture is known as Angel Breath. It works very well.

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

White Spirit and Shellite are different (but similar) petroleum derived hydrocarbon liquids.

White spirit is normally used as a cleaning fluid and degreaser.

Shellite is normally used in (old style) cigarette lighters. I use it to release ink-jet printed tissue paper from the (spray contact-cemented) A4 carrier paper when making logos. In the US of A it is called napthalene.

I just went to the workshop and checked – they smell different too. (All from Bunnings btw)

* Danny M *

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

I'm even more confused now.- Living in the UK, always called white spirit " turpentine substitute" , this is slightly oily and can be used as a light lube. as well as brush cleaning and paint thinning. It is not good for cleaning oily residues. Lighter fuel (petrol) is good for cleaning and I guess is similar to Colemans etc. Turpentine is a plant product, this and olive oil is expensive stuff, I won't be using those for cutting oil. Can anybody enlighten me ? BTW I generally use a mix of paraffin ( lamp oil ) and cutting oil .

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

I also have some Diggers Mineral Turpentine. Small print says 'Turpentine Substitute'.

Product Use: Paint Thinner : Brush Cleaner : Polish Remover. (from Bunnings again)

For more information re: the Australian products, this site has all the gen **LINK**

* Danny M *

[HasBeanParticipant @hasbean]

Now I'm also confused, local B&Q sell Turpentine, Turpentine Substitute and White Spirit.

I have made up some Angels Breath a few years ago, works fine on stainless.

Paul

[BWParticipant @bw]

Thanks for the replies.

So ……….. am off to Bunnings tomorrow and will read the labels carefully and get 1 and 2 below

1. Turps – Derived from trees – this stuff – http://www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-1l-pure-gumturpentine-_p1560994

2. White Spirit – derived from petroleum – http://www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-1l-white-spirit-_p1563471

Interesting that they have Mineral Turpentine as well which is described as being derived from white spirit see here

3. http://www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-1l-mineral-turpentine_p1560821

Some confusion caused by painters being able to use both 2. and 3. above to clean paintbrushes.

Thanks for your help – here was me thinking White Spirit was an alternative name for Metho.

Bill

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

Gordon W,
Your comments noted. I use cheapest olive oil and I only use it as a drip on from a small plastic bottle with a spout. Wifes hair colour bottles. Dont use it like that famous boxers advertising, “splash it on all over!” Guy Lautard’s book called it Angels Breath. Excellent for drilling. Again only a few squirts. If I want a flood I use cutting oil.
John

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

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Edited By DMB on 11/11/2015 13:16:01

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Gordon W on 11/11/2015 10:56:51:

I'm even more confused now.- < etc. >

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Gordon,

It is no-where near a complete answer, but you may find this page of interest.

MichaelG.

Also, this

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 11/11/2015 13:30:53

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

White spirit is not particularly pleasant and burns horribly, but is good for cleaning brushes and some other purposes.

i've noticed that most label residues and other sticky substances will respond to either white spirit or meths, but not both.

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

I've tried several tapping lubricants with mixed feelings about the results. The latest is white tallow for lubrication and etc off ebay. I had to replace a piece of glass in a multifuel fire and when I undid the fixing it just snapped off so drilled and tapped a 4BA hole in where it was. The previous fixing looks like 3/8 whit. It's the first time I have tried the tallow – a nice finish in what is probably rather crap cast iron. It snapped off ever so easily.

At work I always used tallow but there is no way of knowing what was in it. Some one had some sperm whale oil. That in the past was thought to be the best – or so I am told.

John

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[John McNamaraParticipant @johnmcnamara74883]

Mineral turpentine as opposed to turpentine oil

Turpentine oil as used by artists is relatively expensive compared to the mineral substitute, (Although they are not really similar). Turpentine Oil mixed with boiled linseed oil and a little beeswax then gently simmered in a pot til it darkens to taste. makes a good old style Oil finish for wood. You must simmer it over a low heat, outside. the fumes will permeate the building if you do it inside and you will be very unpopular. It is inclined to catch fire while it is cooking so have a lid ready to cover the pot and extinguish it if it does.

For firearms and furniture where you want a glow not a shine.

A small amount on a cloth rubber then lots of elbow grease repeated daily for a few weeks and you will be amazed….. I said a (Small amount) rubbed in until its gone for each coat. It is fairly waterproof and can take a shower or two without discolouring like shellac. The wood will glow.

Oh and don't leave the used cloth rubbers lying around the workshop, Its rare but they can spontaneously combust.

Apart from cleaning paint brushes a good use for mineral turpentine is removing the sticky residue left by the labels suppliers insist on plastering all over goods, some are quite hard to get off.

Regards
John

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Linseed oil is the worst one for spontaneous fires.

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

Not tapping fluid but similar chemistry- does anyone know what the petrol additive is for "preserving" modern petrol ?

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