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[MWParticipant @mw27036]

Posted by DMB on 04/07/2016 23:04:26:
Old engine oil could be used as a creosote substitute but the greens will object. What I have to say to them is unprintable.

Edited By DMB on 04/07/2016 23:05:15

I have to admit the pop-hype of "green" energy and more explicitly the word "green" in relation to energy is one of my pet hates. Why can't they just say lets reduce waste? The color green has nothing to do with energy.

Michael W

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by DMB on 04/07/2016 23:04:26:
Old engine oil could be used as a creosote substitute but the greens will object. What I have to say to them is unprintable.

As a chartered environmentalist, I won't take that personally…

Neil

[Chris Evans 6Participant @chrisevans6]

Old Oil… I once visited an oil supplier "Exol" for an evening trade visit and oil is not only recycled but also re-refined.

From what we where told the more oil is re-refined the better it is, they also claimed that new Mercedes cars left the factory with re-refined oil. A long way from the days when it went into the workshop heater !

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/07/2016 08:56:09:

Posted by DMB on 04/07/2016 23:04:26:
Old engine oil could be used as a creosote substitute but the greens will object. What I have to say to them is unprintable.

As a chartered environmentalist, I won't take that personally…

Neil

no need to use it as creosote as it's recycled Neil.

So called greens do have a problem though. The inability to balance needs and the problems associated with various methods of meeting them. One famous example in electricity. They managed to more or less halt nuclear in some countries and as a result huge volumes of coal have been burnt. We are all going to pay the penalty for that.

Their other problem is often exaggerated claims to "prove" their point. One recent one was what would happen to car fuel consumption if motor way speed limits were increased to 80 or 90mph.

Behind it all though is politicians fear of what gets into the media which results in many thing being done purely on the basis of what various pressure groups think should be done.

John

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[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by DMB on 04/07/2016 23:04:26:
Old engine oil could be used as a creosote substitute but the greens will object. What I have to say to them is unprintable.

Edited By DMB on 04/07/2016 23:05:15

Is that meant to be a serious suggestion? Creosote and old Engine Oil are both carcinogens. Of the scrotum.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 05/07/2016 12:56:46:

Posted by DMB on 04/07/2016 23:04:26:
Old engine oil could be used as a creosote substitute but the greens will object. What I have to say to them is unprintable.

Edited By DMB on 04/07/2016 23:05:15

Is that meant to be a serious suggestion? Creosote and old Engine Oil are both carcinogens. Of the scrotum.

Well there's one reason not to sit on the fence

Easier to use the fencing materials made from recycled plastics and avoid the job of coating the fence every few years if you want to be green. I've only used the posts but they seem good and wont rot like wood or spall like concrete if the rebar rusts.

J

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

That's true if people rub their scrotum on the stuff Dave.

Being serious the oil and scrotum aspect came about from people working one machine tools and in part not having overalls cleaned often enough or not even wearing them. Splash built up on their cloths and the perfect mix of oil for this particular purpose happened to be an extremely high quality cutting oil. Have to wonder how often they changed and cleaned their own cloths too as not all people had the problem. The biggest concern in industry was for people who worked on auto's where the oils were most commonly used and people were at things like capstan lathes all day long.

However I don't think oil can be simply disposed of these days. It's all collected and reprocessed. It's also best to avoid skin contact with many oils – dermatitis. it's been demonstrated in the past that where people do get what might be called clean oil on their hands they best clean it off with borax powder. Used engine oil isn't so easy to remove.

John

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[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Ajohnw on 05/07/2016 13:35:03:

That's true if people rub their scrotum on the stuff Dave.

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John

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Yup, some people will do anything for a cheap thrill!

Cheers,

Dave

PS +1 for the serious part of your post.

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 05/07/2016 14:00:18

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

 

Our local council tip (sorry 'recycling centre) has seperate facilities for:- Oil, Paint, Metal, Batteries, Lamps and Electrical Goods, plus too much else to mention individually.

Local households have recently been issued with windscreen stickers and individual numbers, apparently people from other areas were going there as well! Be interesting to see what comes next in the grand scheme of things.

On the subject of Oils and Cancer- during my days working on Diesel Locomotives we were warned about this in great detail, complete with some very nasty photos in the literature.

 

Edited By V8Eng on 05/07/2016 15:20:55

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

The only reason I heard about overall changes and borax powder was that I knew one of Lucas's health and safety people pretty well – my Dad. It was a small part of the function of a few production engineers over the group. A bit different these days. It used to be a bit more notice it happens and do something about it eg an electric pallet truck capable of moving rather heavy loads. Operating button on the handle positioned so that if some one was hard up against a wall and reversed it into their stomach they couldn't take the finger of the button. Result death. Another more extreme. A setter putting his head under a press and turning it over.

Some people moan about modern health and safety. I'm not so sure. One of my incarnations during training was factory planning. It came as a surprise to me that the Gov. type health and safety people of the time could be well aware of problems but wouldn't forcibly do anything about it as it would stop production or seriously interfere with it.

That job makes me laugh when I go into most public toilets. I know just how good and what size the toilet paper and hand tissues need to be to minimise cost. Most of the work I did was on a new factory before it was built. That was interesting as well.

John

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Edited By Ajohnw on 05/07/2016 16:40:37

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Ajohnw on 05/07/2016 10:18:30:

So called greens do have a problem though.

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Perhaps the problem is people who take the same 'it's all nonsense' approach to environmental issues as others do to health and safety.

Neil

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/07/2016 17:07:15:

Posted by Ajohnw on 05/07/2016 10:18:30:

So called greens do have a problem though.

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Perhaps the problem is people who take the same 'it's all nonsense' approach to environmental issues as others do to health and safety.

Neil

Environmental concerns are important Neil. However the reactions to some of them have very definite detrimental effects. Nuclear is a good example of that. It has it's problems but burning coal instead is worse. Also burning more oil and north sea gas for different reasons. Some concerns such as deforestation don't get any airing at all even though the problems that will cause has been mentioned.

The problem in many respects is knee jerk reactions that are not fully thought through. There is nothing new about global warming for instance or increasing C02 levels.

The other point in respect to energy bugets is that consumerism is by far the biggest user of it. Changing out light bulbs might help a bit but initially that was putting more mercury into the environment. For some portion of a UK year the heat from a 100w light bulb helps – the heat has to come from some where.

John

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[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/07/2016 17:07:15:

Posted by Ajohnw on 05/07/2016 10:18:30:

So called greens do have a problem though.

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Perhaps the problem is people who take the same 'it's all nonsense' approach to environmental issues as others do to health and safety.

Neil

Hear hear!

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

When staying with Dads uncle at (?can't remember), near Cheshire,[He was CEO British Nuclear Fuels), it had been just discovered that workers in coal fire power stations were exposed to unacceptable (By nuclear power station standards) levels of radiation. Also he told me of one alarm being set off by a visitor, the woman was wearing some antique jewellery the had some Lapis Lazuli, and the test equipment went off the clock.

Ian S C

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

If I know that I am going to demonstrate geiger counters and radioactivity, I take along my dad's old wrist watch. It registers more counts per second than some of the school sources.

Although I was always 'clean', I had my supervisor hunting for contamination on my lab coat until he got fed up with searching. That was 40 years ago, mind. I remember it was the high specific activity tritiated acetic anhydride (that someone contaminated the lab with) that got everyone P bottles for a couple of weeks! No geiger detection, but sure messed up the main scintillation counter at the time, as all our stock of counting vials were seriously contaminated both inside and out.

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