Replacement for thunderbird (emails)

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Gentlemen,

Can anybody give me a replacement for Thunderbird, I bought a new computer just over a week ago and this weekend I got around to setting it up then yesterday morning I got a DPC Watchdog Violation which froze the computer tried,supposedly, to sort out the issue, after two plus hours I turned the computer off and after an hour I restarted it, all that happened was the fan started and the CAPS Locking button lamp was flashing so the computer went back to Currys who happily replaced the computer, they didn't have any more of the HP model i'd bought so I had another which cost me another £50, an upgrade so I'm still happy.

I've been setting it up and tried to load Thunderbird but the computer wont accept it, it says I have to turn Windows 10s off which it doesnt want me to do so i'm now looking for a replacement

Martin P

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

I'd like to hear the same recommendations. I was very sorry to lose Outlook Express when I updated. Went to Thunderbird but I'm not entirely satisfied with it.

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Hi Martin sorry to hear your having issues with Thunderbird I cant help with a replacement as Ive used Thunderbird for several years both on windows and currently on Linux without any issues so the only thing I could suggest is that you delete the Thunderbird download from your download folder and download it again see if that's any better

H

[Adam MaraParticipant @adammara]

I've been using Outlook.live.com for several years now, Works fine on Windows, tablet and Chromebook. Love my Chromebook, srarts in seconds, not minutes like windows! Its a touchscreen model, ideal when I'm drawing/sketching on it.

[K.J. KroekerParticipant @k-j-kroeker84050]

You can install Thunderbird on your new PC if you leave "S" mode. S mode allows only applications from the Microsoft store. If you leave S mode, you cannot go back – you will be in standard Windows 10 and able to run anything you like.

S mode is touted as a more secure solution since applications from the Microsoft store are thoroughly vetted by Microsoft.

[John OlsenParticipant @johnolsen79199]

Microsoft is of course renowned for their great security…. /sarcasm mode off.

[Peter G. ShawParticipant @peterg-shaw75338]

FWIW, a few months ago I bought two new laptops, both partially setup with W10. The first thing I did was to complete the W10 install. The second was to create backup pendrives, just in case, you understand! The third thing was to complete remove W10, and replace by Linux, along with Thunderbird.

No problems so far, and no nagging by Microsoft. And best of all, no Microsoft restrictions!

Go to Linux, you won't regret it.

Peter G. Shaw

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Gentlemen,

After reading your posts K J Kroeker's I found out how to opt out of S mode and have now got Thunderbird up and running.

Thank you all,

Martin P

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by K.J. Kroeker on 03/11/2021 23:54:54:

You can install Thunderbird on your new PC if you leave "S" mode. S mode allows only applications from the Microsoft store. If you leave S mode, you cannot go back – you will be in standard Windows 10 and able to run anything you like.

S mode is touted as a more secure solution since applications from the Microsoft store are thoroughly vetted by Microsoft.

Well worth investigating. This link is to Microsoft's description of S mode and explains how to switch it off.

Comment:

Part of Microsoft's poor reputation for security stems from allowing Windows users to install any old rubbish from the web. Quite a few hopeless optimists and babes in the wood out there!

Unfortunately, on the web, malware is mixed in with good stuff like Thunderbird and it's not always easy to tell good from bad. One solution is to install security software and check downloaded code looking for viruses, worms, ransomware, bots, and other nastiness. (Essential on Windows.) Another is to configure the operating system to only download software from a reputable source, like Microsoft Store.

Microsoft Store is double-edged in my opinion. It's primary purpose is to make money. As well as charging fees when appropriate, it also collects and sells the customers personal information. I'm uncomfortable with that and suspect many only provide personal because they don't comprehend just how easy it is to cross-reference and misuse information.

I'm happy to turn off S-mode and take responsibility for whatever I install. It means being careful and suspicious: optimism forbidden! I minimise installs and don't play with Shareware and other free sources. I only download software from the owners website, not any of the 'we find software for you' sites, because they may be playing a game.

When an install fails it's tempting to try other packages. OK, but it can lead to installing several different nasties in the search for one that works. Better to start by looking for whatever is stopping a reputable package like Thunderbird from installing. It could be a simple tickbox: S-mode or an anti-virus package set to block installs unless the user deliberately unlocks the door.

Dave

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