Napolionic cannon

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

I am wishing to model the carriage and limber for a Napoleonic Bloomfield style, 6 or 9 pounder smoothbore cannon. I have the barrel 99% completed. I will create everything in 3D CAD and make these files available if successful. However finding good clear scale drawings for these is proving difficult. If anyone could suggest a source or indeed actually holds such details I would be very keen to make contact. I am, currently, in communication with the Royal Armouries.

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

[Maurice Cox 1Participant @mauricecox1]

Hi Rod. Some time ago, I read a book called “British smooth bore artillery “. It is a large format book, with many drawings of carriages and barrels. See if you local library can get hold of a copy. It may help you.

Maurice.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

You could scale up the Manua kit components, but that could be a bit expensive.

Or work from John Muller's "Treatise Of Artillery" of the 1790s, which is available as reprints from specialist book dealers – though scaling from his drawings could be long and tedious.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by Mick B1 on 30/12/2017 11:58:04:

You could scale up the Mantua kit components, but that could be a bit expensive.

Or work from John Muller's "Treatise Of Artillery" of the 1790s, which is available as reprints from specialist book dealers – though scaling from his drawings could be long and tedious.

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

Thank you gentlemen. – Maurice your recommendation was coincidentally endorsed by third party. Amazon are now a bit richer.

Mick I will study the first book and then try to source a copy of the treatise.

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

Was also recommended to this Canadian treatise :- https://sha.org/assets/documents/British%20Smooth-Bore%20Artillery%20-%20English.pdf – It is a pdf. download.

Should it be of interest to others.

[Bob StevensonParticipant @bobstevenson13909]

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a?_ref=400

 

If these people don't have it they wil know where it is!….as they have the Rotunda archives.

Edited By Bob Stevenson on 30/12/2017 13:54:55

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

Bob – Thanks for info. Have been in touch.

[Clive BParticipant @cliveb55652]

Rod, You might find the following thread useful; it provides a summary of original references to carriage/gun designs and scale drawings http://www.napoleon-series.org/cgi-bin/forum/archive2010_config.pl?md=read;id=122454. Some of these references are available as reprints from DP&G Publications, http://www.military-naval-history.co.uk/. Regards, Clive

[Mike Palmer 1Participant @mikepalmer1]

Hi Rod

Have a look at Model Wheelwrights site, http://www.guildofmodelwheelwrights.org/GOMW_Library_plans.htm

They have plans for Napoleonic Cannon , limber and ammunition cart.

I made an 18 pounder a few years ago, good fun.

Mike

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

Mike – I am actually a lapsed member. Unfortunately membership is required to purchase their plans. Annoyingly I have a feeling I did many years ago. But where did I put them. – Think I will make a badge with that written on it!

[RobinParticipant @robin]

Presumably you mean field carriages? I have two, original 6 pounder sea service carriages, c1800 in my garage

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

If it really is a naval carriage you want, the Jerry Howells plans for a late c17 US 24 pounder will differ very little from the British design:-

Edited By Mick B1 on 30/12/2017 22:11:48

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Doh! I meant late c18…

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

Robin – Should have spoken to you first. I do not get to Henly Park these days. Yes, I am looking for field artillery info.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

i have a scale model of a 9lb r cannon on a single pole Congreve trail as used on both 6lb and 9lb gun from 1792, and right through the 18 century. It has a barrel 200 mm long. It was bought out to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the founding of the Artillery as a Royal Regiment in April 1722, it is a model of one of the 156 guns used in the battle of Waterloo.

This gun has been proof fired by The Worshipful Company of Gunmakers, London, and certified by Major-General B. P, Hughes, C. B., C. B. E., at Royal Artillery Headquarters, Woolwich, London.

The Limber did sustain minor damage in the 2010 earthquake.

Ian S C

[Rod AshtonParticipant @rodashton53132]

Ian – I would love to see some pictures if you could find a moment.

Regards

Rod

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[davebParticipant @daveb17630]

I'm sure there were plans for a 'Napoleon' with field carriage and limber in one of the Home Shop Machinist Project books.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Very educational this forum. Just learned:

• The Armstrong who designed ship cannons in 1725 is not related to the 19th Century gun-maker, who is only loosely related to the 20th century Gunmaker .
• Bloomfield (actually Blomefield) redesigned British Naval cannon in 1780
• A Napoleonic Cannon is one made during the Napoleonic time period in any country
• A Napoleon Cannon is specifically French, developed in 1853 and much used in the US Civil War. It's named after Napoleon III not the well known Corsican Tyrant.

No wonder I'm confused, there are three different types of Armstrong, 2 Napoleonics, and then you get into ship carriages and field carriages. Excellent subject for modelling. Has anyone had a go at something more modern? A model 1914-18 railway gun would be impressive.

Dave

[Dougie SwanParticipant @dougieswan43463]

Like this one

Its from my album and there are some model canon pics as well

Dougie

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Dougie Swan on 01/01/2018 14:48:07:

Like this one

Its from my album and there are some model canon pics as well

Dougie

Oooo… That's so good. Love the shell-crane, the interrupted screw breech, the stabilisers, the rivets and everything else. Is it freelance or based on a real one? Super job.

Dave (Impressed!)

[Dougie SwanParticipant @dougieswan43463]

Its a 9.2" ww1 railway gun, made at armstrongs elswick gun works in 1918

This was one of the first railway guns that could traverse its barrel across the tracks using the outriggers, previously a curved section of track had to be built and the gun moved around the curve till it was pointing in the direction they wanted to fire in

Dougie

Edited By Dougie Swan on 01/01/2018 15:03:08

Edited By Dougie Swan on 01/01/2018 15:12:31

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

Dougie, can you give a pointer to your album with the other cannon in it, I tried a search in 'albums' for Dougie Swan but came up with nothing.

Brian

[Dougie SwanParticipant @dougieswan43463]

Try this link

http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/members/albums/

I cant find it doing a search either

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