MR16 LED Spot lights

[Peter Simpson 1Participant @petersimpson1]

[Peter Simpson 1Participant @petersimpson1]

A few months ago I stripped the 415 Volt step down transformers out of a couple of MEM machine lights and converted to run off LED drivers and MR16 LED spot lights. They both work well and give a good overall illumination. The only problem is, the MR16 lamps eventually vibrate out of their holders as they are only secured by the two small pins, has anybody experienced this problem ? if so is there an easy fix.

[VicParticipant @vic]

The downlighting in our kitchen have lock rings to prevent the bulbs falling out.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Use the GU50 type bulbs that have integral drivers and run from mains direct. The holders work a bit like a bayonet and the bulbs have to be twisted into position.

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

These are larger, but I use 12 volt GU10s – with the bayonet, they in effect lock into place.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Hi,
It is not good practice to use mains voltage bulbs or LEDs on machine tools. I'd suggest keeping the MR16's but adding a small blob of RTV silicone (bath caulk) between the body of the bulb and the socket. Vibration resistant but easy to remove if you have to change the bulb.

Robert G8RPI.

[Peter Simpson 1Participant @petersimpson1]

GU10 12volt lamps, where have you seen them ? Do they actually make them ?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 19/12/2019 07:29:36:

Hi,
It is not good practice to use mains voltage bulbs or LEDs on machine tools. […]

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I agree

A mechanical fix for a mechanical problem is appropriate … don’t risk compromising electrical safety.

… but if you must go the GU10 route, please consider putting a safety isolating transformer in the circuit.

MichaelG.

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Edit: Not all lamps are made this badlly, but:

http://kuzyatech.com/no-name-gu10-led-lamp-teardown

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 19/12/2019 08:09:37

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

Just out of interest why is it not a good idea to use LEDs on machine tools..?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ron Laden on 19/12/2019 08:06:21:

Just out of interest why is it not a good idea to use LEDs on machine tools..?

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… It’s a very good idea, Ron

The bad idea is using 220V/240V units

MichaelG.

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Edit of Robert’s statement, for clarity:

It is not good practice to use mains voltage bulbs [or LED assemblies which run on mains voltage] on machine tools. […]

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 19/12/2019 08:23:26

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

I missed the mains voltage part but I have to ask why is mains voltage LEDs or bulb types a problem.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Quite simply, Ron … Mains voltage hurts if you touch it.

One thing can lead to another, and nasty accidents occur with machine tools.

Many light units are not earthed [or reliably earthed], which increases the risk.

Industrial machines have long been required to use ‘safety low voltage’ in their lighting, and I consider it a wise precaution.

MichaelG.

[DiogenesIIParticipant @diogenesii]

Just for the sake of "completeness" ..the MR16 also has a pair of opposing grooves on the "neck" above the pins which are provided for retention by a clip on some types of holders.. but like others have noted, it'll be easier to contrive a blob of something sticky..

[Peter Simpson 1Participant @petersimpson1]

It looks like it will have to be the "Blob of something sticky" method. Thanks and Merry Christmas to you all.

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

Peter S – yep, I have them all over my garage which has no mains supply, just a battery and solar panel. Plenty on your favourite auction site or armazone !

BobH

[RMAParticipant @rma]

Very timely thread as I'm considering changing the bulb in my original Centec lamp. The lamp itself is of a very sturdy metal construction as you'd expect from Centec, and I'd like to retain it.

Can the electrical experts on here point me in the direction of a reasonably priced low voltage conversion solution? Thanks in advance.

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 19/12/2019 09:18:43:

Quite simply, Ron … Mains voltage hurts if you touch it.

One thing can lead to another, and nasty accidents occur with machine tools.

Many light units are not earthed [or reliably earthed], which increases the risk.

Industrial machines have long been required to use ‘safety low voltage’ in their lighting, and I consider it a wise precaution.

MichaelG.

I thought that the reason though I dont know I fully agree with it, at least not with a good installation, I can understand it though with H&S these days. Having said that my lighting is not attached to the machine in any way I prefer a good flood of lighting from above which lights all of the machine, my lights are fitted to the underside of a shelf which sits above the machine.

[Keith LongParticipant @keithlong89920]

Ron consider the case where you have a 240 volt bulb on the lathe and you've got a chuck key in your hand – which slips, hits the bulb and breaks it, and you now wind up connected to the 240 volt feed into the bulb. I hope the earth trip operates fast enough.

If you've got good overall general lighting then you probably don't need the nearly ubiquitous "anglepoise" type light right on the lathe close to the chuck. If you do need the close-up light, for safety's sake make it a low voltage one.

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

I take the point and agree Keith if I was using that type of close in lighting I would go for low voltage but as mentioned I prefer good overall lighting for all or most of the machine.

[John Paton 1Participant @johnpaton1]

The other risk is cracking of cable insulation where the lamp arm articulates, combined with flying cutting fluid.

In theory the earth will cope with this but I would not entrust my life to earth continuity. With a dry floor and rubber soles shoes you might only get a belt but still best to avoid playing roulette when you are only part way through a project.

[Peter Simpson 1Participant @petersimpson1]

Speedy Builder5 You may have them all over your workshop…They are not GU10 LED's, as GU10 lamps are all 240 Volt.

[Peter Simpson 1Participant @petersimpson1]

Speedy Builder5 You may have them all over your workshop…They are not GU10 LED's, as GU10 lamps are all 240 Volt.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ron Laden on 19/12/2019 12:57:35:

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I thought that the reason though I dont know I fully agree with it, at least not with a good installation, I can understand it though with H&S these days. Having said that my lighting is not attached to the machine in any way I prefer a good flood of lighting from above which lights all of the machine, my lights are fitted to the underside of a shelf which sits above the machine.

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Fair enough, Ron … but the opening line of this thread was:

“A few months ago I stripped the 415 Volt step down transformers out of a couple of MEM machine lights and converted to run off LED drivers and MR16 LED spot lights.”

MichaelG.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Speedy Builder5 on 19/12/2019 11:14:34:

Peter S – yep, I have them all over my garage which has no mains supply, just a battery and solar panel. Plenty on your favourite auction site or armazone !

BobH

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Please could you provide a representative link, Bob

There is clearly some misunderstanding of your situation [possibly by me] but: GU10 is a mains voltage fitting, and I am quite sure that it would be both dangerous and illegal to sell 12V lamps that used it.

Thanks in advance

MichaelG.

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

And here we have some Scotch Mist.  Look at the drop down box where it says 3 Watt 12v DC:-

 

Edited By Speedy Builder5 on 19/12/2019 16:19:26

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