M6 thread locking/stiff screw

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

I would like a 12mm M6 screw, preferably socket head, that is stiff to turn in a normally tapped blind hole. I have seen thread locking screws but not in the size I want. I pondered slitting the screw that then might look like a threaded split pin or perhaps cross drilling and fitting a nylon plug. The screw must not damage the tapped hole.

These screws seem a bit rare hence the request for help.

John

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

John,

I think you've answered your own question. I have used the cross-drill and nylon (strimmer cord) method a number of times with success. Just so long as the screw isn't subject to extreme torque, it should do the job satisfactorily.

John

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

I never would have thought of strimmer cord, fantastic,

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

You could get a M6 socket head bolt and thread the plain shank with a die that has been fully opened up in a die holder and that hopefully will give you a fit with some friction saw off the unwanted length.

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

Thats a briliant response, many thanks all.

I think I'll go with the strimmer cord, seemed to me to be a possible solution and as John has used it I reckon it should do what I need.

John

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

I have some fishing line – comes in various thicknesses (usually expressed as breaking strength or weight of hoped for catch) – any shop that deals with fishing tackle will stock it

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

If you can bear it … Pop over to IKEA and have a look in the ‘spares’ rack

At Ashton-under-Lyne this is ‘free access’ just after the check-outs

They have [or did have] a good assortment of M6 screws with hex socket pan-heads and locking patches.

… on the other hand : Life may be too short.

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/09/2021 21:16:10

[Richard MillingtonParticipant @richardmillington63972]

Locktite 243?

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

Some interesting and useful ideas so thanks to all of you.

John

[Gerhard NovakParticipant @gerhardnovak66893]

I suppose Richards idea with chemical thread lock is a good one. Works very well on all kind of model helicopters. (Where you definitely have vibrations…)

[egaParticipant @ega]

Some cycle wheel builders use a product on the spoke threads that both lubricates to facilitate tensioning and then secures the nipple against rotation once the wheel has been finished. Apparently, linseed oil will do this but there is a proprietary product called SpokePrep.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

I've used a spot or two of super glue on the screw with good results.

Just apply to the thread and let it harden before screwing it in.

Martin.

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

I need to be able to re-adjust these screws from time to time.

The applcation is to improve the setting of the gib strips locating the saddle on a mini-lathe.

If you have experience of these machines you will know how much of a pain it is to adjust these for a good sliding fit.

There are 5 screws in each gib, the outer and centre ones are screwed into the saddle casting and the other two threaded in the gib, these two have lock-nuts. The intention is to not use the two lock-nut screws and make the three M6 screws into a friction thread version so that they retain their setting and do not rely on the pressure from the two lock-nut screws that are trying to push the gib away from the casting so giving some friction to the M6 screws.

I have been thinking about this for a while and have read all I can find about this adjustment and believe this mod will work. Time and experience will no doubt provide the answer.

John

[MacolmParticipant @macolm]

I have used PTFE plumbing tape for similar thread stiffening. You can vary the number of turns within reason for adjustment, it lasts quite well, and is quick and easy to replace.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

It turns-out that my M6 IKEAscrounge screws are countersunk

… the plated ones with large pan-heads are M5

.

Apologies for the misleading information

… there may be other variants available.

MichaelG.

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

Malcolm, I should think the ptfe tape would work in this application.

I'll try it first before possibly making nylon loaded screws.

That's ok Michael, these screws are new to me.

John

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

I would imagine nail varnish would work too – just apply it as show in Michael's post above.

Martin.

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

Bit OT but Screwfix do M6 versions of the flat head hex socket screws in Michaels picture. 25 to 50 mm lengths. No locking stuff tho', just plain thread. Called joint connector bolts except for the 50 mm one which is a cross dowel bolt. Also joint connector nuts as the female thread version. M6 threaded cross dowels too. Not the highest of tensile ratings but worth remembering when you want a neat job. I usually have a part pack about the place.

Getting back to the OPs problem I've gotten away with insulation tape in the past. Unlike Malcom PTFE tape has never worked for me unless things are pretty tightly done up. Sort of tighness where I'm looking for the weakest loctite.

Clive

Edited By Clive Foster on 01/10/2021 19:11:26

[martin haysomParticipant @martinhaysom48469]

in my box of old screws/bolts is a few that have slightly triangulated threads they are tight in normal taped holes sadly i can only say i removed them from an oldish car and they are metric

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

Martin, I think they are called tri-lobed screws.

John

[VicParticipant @vic]

I asked what they used in the bike shop for such tasks and they said this stuff.

V-Tech

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Here’s some info. about Nylon Patch screws [as per my IKEAscrounge]: **LINK**

https://www.fastenerdata.co.uk/thread-locking

Quite a useful device, I think.

MichaelG.

[modeng2000Participant @modeng2000]

My query seems to have brought out some useful information on this screw position retaining problem.

Thanks again to all for your input.

Thinking of the setting of the saddle gib strips, I have found two items, first on the http://www.madmodder.net site and then on softsolder.com.

I'll report back as to how I get on trying to solve the saddle screw positioning problem.

John

[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 02/10/2021 00:18:43:

Here’s some info. about Nylon Patch screws [as per my IKEAscrounge]: **LINK**

https://www.fastenerdata.co.uk/thread-locking

Quite a useful device, I think.

MichaelG.

That's very interesting, Michael – I'd seen those before but assumed it was some sort of pre-applied Loctite, rather than nylon. Good find, thanks

Rob

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