Coronavirus

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 07/04/2020 12:15:16:

Posted by Hopper on 07/04/2020 12:00:50:

Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 07/04/2020 11:28:00:

So, if domestic (and feral) cats can be infected, as big cats seem to be, what then? Millions of moggies acting as a resevoir of infection isn't a nice prospect – until everyone is immunised.

There are no recorded incidents of feline to human transmission. Don't panic.

… If it's the same virus in humans and cats, transmission will occur. Why should species-jumps be one-way? I don't panic easily, just trying to think ahead.

Inter-species jumps are difficult – if they were easy, we'd be ill all the time. Infectious diseases are tuned more of less to their hosts by shared chemistry. Anything of a mismatch and the risks caused by bugs plummet. Chemistry obviously matters on a larger scale too: cat fleas dislike human blood, and – even though sheep love it, I can't digest grass. Between 1 and 3% of human body weight is bacteria living in us, fortunately we're friends.

Coranavirus is a common as muck family of viruses that have been around forever. They infect many different hosts including dogs, see Canine Coronavirus, but don't usually jump between species. When they do, immune systems are unprepared. In humans, one member of a large family is causing big trouble.  Covid-19 is fairly infectious and mildly dangerous. Covid-19 is a variant that happens to have chemistry matched to human cells. People spread it, not cats, dogs, or red-herrings!

Dave

 

 

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 07/04/2020 13:53:06

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 07/04/2020 13:51:18:

Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 07/04/2020 12:15:16:

Posted by Hopper on 07/04/2020 12:00:50:

Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 07/04/2020 11:28:00:

So, if domestic (and feral) cats can be infected, as big cats seem to be, what then? Millions of moggies acting as a resevoir of infection isn't a nice prospect – until everyone is immunised.

There are no recorded incidents of feline to human transmission. Don't panic.

… If it's the same virus in humans and cats, transmission will occur. Why should species-jumps be one-way? I don't panic easily, just trying to think ahead.

Inter-species jumps are difficult – if they were easy, we'd be ill all the time. Infectious diseases are tuned more of less to their hosts by shared chemistry. Anything of a mismatch and the risks caused by bugs plummet. Chemistry obviously matters on a larger scale too: cat fleas dislike human blood, and – even though sheep love it, I can't digest grass. Between 1 and 3% of human body weight is bacteria living in us, fortunately we're friends.

Coranavirus is a common as muck family of viruses that have been around forever. They infect many different hosts including dogs, see Canine Coronavirus, but don't usually jump between species. When they do, immune systems are unprepared. In humans, one member of a large family is causing big trouble. Covid-19 is fairly infectious and mildly dangerous. Covid-19 is a variant that happens to have chemistry matched to human cells. People spread it, not cats, dogs, or red-herrings!

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 07/04/2020 13:53:06

Inter-species jumps are difficult – if they were easy, we'd be ill all the time.

Correct in as far as a virus in say cats has to mutate to acquire the ability to enter human cells for the first time. SARS CoV 2 has already done this.

However I don't want to stoke the fires of speculation. So far there are no known cases of spreading via animals.

regards Martin

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

Stupidity knows no bounds, had to go into town today for a necessity.. Traffic was light, You think people would be relaxed and grateful, instead people were willfully running red lights without stopping at all. With very limited visibility . Darwin cleaning out the gene pool would be good if They did not take Some one with Them.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Post Office delivery workers in my town have now decided to go on strike over coronvirus, so I won't be getting my paper copy of ME. Any chance of opening up digital access to those who have paper subscriptions for the duration?

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

That's serious. I hope it doesn't esculate.

regards Martin

[J HancockParticipant @jhancock95746]

Just maybe, an informative programme tonight on post-corona world, R4 8pm Fallout with Mervyn King and others.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by J Hancock on 08/04/2020 14:50:47:

Just maybe, an informative programme tonight on post-corona world, R4 8pm Fallout with Mervyn King and others.

Let's just get into the post-corona world on our feet, before we worry about it….

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember19781]

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[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by duncan webster on 08/04/2020 14:41:22:

Post Office delivery workers in my town have now decided to go on strike over coronvirus, so I won't be getting my paper copy of ME. Any chance of opening up digital access to those who have paper subscriptions for the duration?

HI Duncan,

The next issue will contain a 3 for £1 subscription offer which can be used for print, digital or both combined.

I'll make sure that the offer is put up on the website next week.

That's the best I can sort at the moment, but in the unlikely event the postal system was to collapse totally we would look at that as an option (although more likely the magazine would have to go into hibernation – we've already lost our overseas distribution).

Neil

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Don't take too much notice of figures for one or two days

I was reading some NHS stats a few days ago and they made the point that many NHS regions don't report weekend deaths until a day or three after the weekend. If you look at the death bar graph on worldometer it shows saturdays and sundays with lower deaths and then climbing in the days after.
Deaths will follow infections by up to three weeks so a daily death total doesn't give a current picture and UK testing of suspects isn't wide enough to know what level of virus we have in the populace.

Its also very hard to get clear figres of survivability amongst those hospitalised. On 5th april there were 1,559 ITU cases of C-19 – again such figures don't tell us exactly at what time and if all are reported because 5,6,7th April death totals exceed 1,800. I did do some number crunching re survivability of ITU cases UK but it's hard toget meaningful data but it didn't look good – again its a matter of what you call a serious case… just supportive O2 by mask or positive pressure O2 or full ventilation – different countries will choose their own stats.

pgk

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Passport Office staff told to go back to work

Methinks there may be ‘unrest’ brewing:

**LINK**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930

MichaelG.

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 09/04/2020 10:04:29:

Passport Office staff told to go back to work

Methinks there may be ‘unrest’ brewing:

**LINK**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930

Can't quite see the point of having a fully functioning passport office when no one can travel!

John

Edited By Journeyman on 09/04/2020 10:09:46

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[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Might be looking to the future, once travel restrictions are lifted, whether in part or whole then there could be a mountain of expired passports needing renewal like yesterday with the public baying for blood because they can't travel!

Roger

[RMAParticipant @rma]

Unfortunately this country has avoided actual lock down. It would have made more sense to close everything other than hospitals and really essential services and we could have got over this a lot quicker, as S Korea did for example. Today airports are still open and the possibility of the virus coming in from Europe; USA and the rest of the world is highly probable. No arrivals are being checked, they are let loose into the community while we are all staying in obeying the rules!

Sheer madness in my opinion. An RAF A330 left Brize Norton yesterday and routed to Goa, presumably to repatriate people. This should not happen, unless these people have been tested accurately for now being immune (highly unlikely) they should all stay where they are.

Passport renewals are not an urgency!

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

I bet Myrtle Lloyd will be 'working from home', maybe her 2nd home?

Tony

[Ex contributorParticipant @mgnbuk]

So what part of YOU CANNOT TRAVEL does Myrtle Lloyd, the HMPO chief operating office not understand.?

Travel has very little to do with it.

Many Government processing organisations are being re-deployed to do Universal Credit application processing, so just because they are being told to go in to work does not mean that the work they are to be doing is their "normal" work. UC applications are up considerably (I saw up 850% mentioned last week) – DWP staff on their own can't be expected to process these applications as quickly as is needed, so other Government departments whose normal roles are not required (or have a much reduced workload) at present are being seconded to help out.

There is a bigger picture.

Nigel B.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Posted by RMA on 09/04/2020 11:33:52:

Unfortunately this country has avoided actual lock down. It would have made more sense to close everything other than hospitals and really essential services and we could have got over this a lot quicker, as S Korea did for example. Today airports are still open and the possibility of the virus coming in from Europe; USA and the rest of the world is highly probable. No arrivals are being checked, they are let loose into the community while we are all staying in obeying the rules!

Sheer madness in my opinion. An RAF A330 left Brize Norton yesterday and routed to Goa, presumably to repatriate people. This should not happen, unless these people have been tested accurately for now being immune (highly unlikely) they should all stay where they are.

Passport renewals are not an urgency!

The plan was never to have total loss of tranmission / lockdown. The idea is to slow the infection rate so the NHS can cope. Same number of cases but spread over longer period. You have to have some transmission for this to work. If you had totl lockdown you would have zero new infections and then when you let pople out the number of cases would be just as bad as if you had done nothing and he NHS would still be overwhelmed.

Robert G8RPI.

Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 09/04/2020 12:51:47

[RMAParticipant @rma]

Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 09/04/2020 12:49:17:

Posted by RMA on 09/04/2020 11:33:52:

Unfortunately this country has avoided actual lock down. It would have made more sense to close everything other than hospitals and really essential services and we could have got over this a lot quicker, as S Korea did for example. Today airports are still open and the possibility of the virus coming in from Europe; USA and the rest of the world is highly probable. No arrivals are being checked, they are let loose into the community while we are all staying in obeying the rules!

Sheer madness in my opinion. An RAF A330 left Brize Norton yesterday and routed to Goa, presumably to repatriate people. This should not happen, unless these people have been tested accurately for now being immune (highly unlikely) they should all stay where they are.

Passport renewals are not an urgency!

The plan was never to have total loss of tranmission / lockdown. The idea is to slow the infection rate so the NHS can cope. Same number of cases but spread over longer period. You have to have some transmission for this to work. If you had totl lockdown you would have zero new infections and then when you let pople out the number of cases would be just as bad as if you had done nothing and he NHS would still be overwhelmed.

Robert G8RPI.

Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 09/04/2020 12:51:47

I'm sorry, but I don't think we had a plan! Enabling the NHS to cope is obviously necessary, but why were they so unprepared? The lack of basics such as PPE is unacceptable. When China released footage to the world of the desperate building of those hospitals in January, the rest of the world should have realised that this was serious.

As I said before, to keep reinfecting doesn't help at all. South Korea got back to normal very quickly, and now flights are again being allowed, they will have to be careful, to my knowledge they are testing at airports but my contact there hasn't reported lately.

Had the world sat up and taken measures at roughly the same time, we would all get over this a lot quicker. As it is, we will more than likely be staying in until the last country catches up. Try telling those who've lost loved ones that 'herd immunity' is a good thing!

[A SmithParticipant @asmith78105]

There's a lot of misrepresentation going on by the politically motivated who care more about undermining the government than they do about people. That nasty diatribe, posted on here, about industry's involvement in production of ventilators was a good example. ("The Johnson MK1" etc)

Andy

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

I agree that our country appeared to be woefully unprepared for a pandemic and I hope those who neglected preparations are taken to task and learn from this situation. As regards the absence of total lockdown of the country it is the governments declared objective to achieve “herd immunity “ and the process by which this will be achieved will be with 80% of the population experiencing the virus, this may be not what the majority expect but the process of slowing the spread to ease the load on the NHS is part of the management that will achieve the objective.
Dave W

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Hi Guys

Things are moving apace at our Lab. Current update on work can be found here.

**LINK**

regards Martin

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Worldwide every one & their dog wants PPE, mostly made in China I suppose?? Looks like every country has made mistakes & as always 'lessons will be learnt' ,scary & frustrating as it is we have to let the experts get on with it, so easy for us keyboard warriors to criticize.

Tony

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

An astonishing story, posted recently by Reuters : **LINK**

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-defences-i/pass-the-salt-the-minute-details-that-helped-germany-build-virus-defences-idUSKCN21R1DB

MichaelG.

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