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  • #128407
    Roger Williams 2
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      @rogerwilliams2

      Hello, have an ML7 that needs an independant carriage feed fitting to the leadscrew handwheel end, the problem being, which would be the best motor to use ?. Many years ago, I made a screw cutting gearbox for it from one of the designs in ME, which enables it to cut threads from 7 to 26 tpi, works a treat, but I lost the fine feed facility for the self act, hence the above question.I have 2 motors available, a 12v wiper unit and what looks like a new 115v DC motor ,1/50 hp with a 43 rpm reduction output, but have not a clue how to power it !.It looks the nicer unit, but if I cant power it ,will use the 12v one. Can anyone help please.

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      Roger Williams 2
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        #128409
        MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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          @michaelwilliams41215

          Hi Roger ,

          You could just fit a fine feed cluster gear in the primary drive to the QC gear box – like the one used for myfords own QC box ??

          If its truly independent drive for fine feed you want then neither motor is ideal but wiper motor will be much easier to experiment with .

          Quickest solution if you don’t mind spending a few pennies would be a stepper motor and very simple electronics .

          Regards ,

          MikeW

          #128421
          Roger Williams 2
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            @rogerwilliams2

            Hello Mike, I cant fit a fine feed cluster because there isnt any room for one unfortunately.I wouldnt mind going the stepper motor route, but again, dont know much about them regarding the electronics bit. So perhaps the wiper motor is my best option. Regards, Roger.

            #128423
            MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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              @michaelwilliams41215

              Hello again ,

              A very simple stepper drive unit can be built based on a 555 timer chip .

              Google ‘ STEPPER MOTOR DRIVER 555 ‘ and have a read through .

              MikeW

              #128452
              Roger Williams 2
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                @rogerwilliams2

                Mike, thanks for the info,

                Roger.

                #128467
                dcosta
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                  @dcosta

                  Hello Roger, good evening.

                  Please see here **LINK** . It's a simple feeding system for a small milling machine but perhaps it has all you need for your lathe. It's made with a simple and cheap stepper driver **LINK**, a stepper motor bought from ArcEuroTrade **LINK** (ref. 160-010-00400) and some adequate power supply.

                  I'm just a satisfied customer from the companys referred.

                  Hope this helps
                  Dias Costa

                  Edited By dcosta on 02/09/2013 22:23:12

                  #128476
                  oldvelo
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                    @oldvelo

                    Hi Roger

                    What is the mains voltage where you live if it is in the USA then what about a variable speed AC to DC convertor from

                     

                    http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?catname=electric&keyword=EPMC

                    This will give a feed rate from over 5 inches per minute down to 0.022 inches per minute.

                    Just wire it up and full control with a single knob to control the speed.

                    The initial setup can be a bit fiddly but once setup properly will give excellent control over the feed rate.

                    If you are on 230 volt AC main then a stepdown transformer is required to out put 110volts AC.

                    A DC motor Fanatic

                    Eric

                    Edited By oldvelo on 03/09/2013 03:06:48

                    #128516
                    Roger Williams 2
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                      @rogerwilliams2

                      Hello Dias, the way youve described and Mike as well, seems to be the way to go. Thank you.

                      Hello Eric, I live in the UK which 240v AC. The DC motor I have is a lovely little unit, made by Bodine of Chicago, unused I think, which would be perfect if I could get a 115DC powersource !. It also has 4 wires coming out of it, which complicates things a bit more. As an aside, the chap I bought it from ( I must have a chat to him in case he knows of a powersource), is 96 years old,and during WW2 , was on the liner Brittanic going to Canada, escorted by the battleship Rodney and 5 destroyers, when the Hood was sunk. Rodney and 4 destroyers buggered off to help sink the Bismark, and left just 1 destroyer as an escort, but they made it to Canada unscathed !. The most interesting ( and lucky) bloke Ive ever had the pleasure of meeting.

                      Thanks for your interest, Roger.

                      #128533
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        Roger,

                        There is some useful info on Bodine 4-wire DC motors, here

                        … hidden within the usual bickering !!

                        Could you please give us full details of what's on the rating plate of your motor.

                        MichaelG.

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                        P.S.   Here is a Bodine Catalog, which might help with identification

                        Edited By Michael Gilligan on 03/09/2013 22:51:02

                        Edited By Michael Gilligan on 03/09/2013 22:55:09

                        #128542
                        Roger Williams 2
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                          @rogerwilliams2

                          Hello Mike, looked at the PM page you noted and according to Larry Vanice, mine is a shunt wound unit so will need DC power, if it had been series wound, would have run off AC as well. You are right, some people on the PM site, bloody hell !!!!. I might call in and see the old gentleman I bought the motor off and see he has something to power it. Anyway, motor details,

                          Type NSH 12RH , No 438ZDO.70, Volts 115, Amps 0 .33, Hz DC, HP 1/50th, RPM 1725,

                          Duty CONT, FF1, Ins A, Torq 11.7 lbs ins, RPM 43, Ratio 40:1.

                          Thanks, Roger

                          #128544
                          Michael Cox 1
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                            @michaelcox1

                            Hi Roger,

                            The simple way is to feed the motor with half wave rectified 240 V mains. This will be equivalent to feeding the motor with 120 V full wave rectified mains. You just need to put a single diode in series with the motor. You could feed the motor/diode from a normal light dimmer to provide variable speed.

                            High DC voltages are more dangerous than high AC voltages so make sure everything is properly enclosed and earthed.

                            Personally I prefer to use low voltage motors for this sort of application.

                            Mike

                            #128585
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133

                              Roger,

                              I think 1/50th HP might risk being underpowered for the job; and, as Mike says, low voltage [*] is much safer for this sort of application.

                              … It's probably best to follow the earlier advice, and use either your 12volt Wiper Unit, or preferably a Stepper Motor.

                              Save the Bodine unit for some more appropriate project.

                              MichaelG.

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                              [*]

                              Forgive me if I am stating the obvious but … Although we use 110volt AC for "safety" power tools; these use an isolating transformer, and a centre tap is taken to Earth, so the exposure risk is only 55volt AC.

                              By comparison 115volt DC is dangerous [especially if derived the way that Mike mentioned].

                              #128620
                              Roger Williams 2
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                                @rogerwilliams2

                                Mike C, Mike G , hello, wiper motor it is then for now !. Ill still have a look at stepper motors , they sound

                                interesting, regards , Roger.

                                #128659
                                Ian S C
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                                  @iansc

                                  A wiper motor is quite powerful, I use one to power the table on my vertical milling machine. Its an old Lucas with wound fields. I extended the shaft that goes through the worm wheel, and fitted a sproket to fit a bit of bike chain. It's quite happy running on 17 volts, and could possibly go as high as 20 volts, or you might be able to find a 24 volt motor from a truck. Ian S C

                                  #128724
                                  Roger Williams 2
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                                    @rogerwilliams2

                                    Ian, as you say, the wiper motors are quite powerful arent they. Did you make up a control box for it or obtain one off the shelf so to speak ? Roger.

                                    #128742
                                    Gordon Wass
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                                      @gordonwass

                                      Just for interest, I found a worm drive g/box that might well do for a power feed conversion. It's off a grass cutter, this has a clutch to drive rear wheels. The gear box is worm and wheel, about 8 to 1 and has a neat multi-plate clutch built in. The whole thing is a cast ally box about 3" cube. I think the mower was Aus. made.

                                      #128757
                                      Ian S C
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                                        @iansc

                                        Roger, Got the motor at the local dump, and control the speed by a 3 possition switch , switching in resistors made from nichrome wire an old electric heater, and a double pole switch with on off on, giviing foreward and reverse. The power supply is a transformer from an old Xerox copier, it's about 8" sqare, and i'v wound an extra winding on it to isolate it, as the transformer is a auto type, ie., the secondry is connected to the primary. Ian S C

                                        #128823
                                        Roger Williams 2
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                                          @rogerwilliams2

                                          Gordon, thats another possibility, surprising whats out there isnt it.

                                          Ian, bit beyond me Im afraid with resistors and transformers, but thanks anyway. Regards, Roger.

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