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  • #679537
    Michael Gilligan
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      @michaelgilligan61133
      On Roy Vaughn said
      … How a free-to-use web site fits Morton’s business model I don’t know, but an off-putting web site can’t be of benefit

      So far as I can tell, Roy … the forum is primarily a ‘channel’ for Mortons to display

      1. self promotion, and
      2. paid-for advertising

      Hence my cynical response to Ady1

       

      You are right, of course, it will only ‘fit’ if continues to attract visitors

      MichaelG.

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      #679511
      Roy Vaughn
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        @royvaughn26060
        On Michael Gilligan said
        On Roy Vaughn said

        MichaelG and Nick

        Yes, I’ve done search by name with success.  However, with this post I had moved on to more general search.  Maybe familiarity will help, or an “advanced” search facility will be implemented to make life easier?  I’m old and prefer to avoid change, especially when new is worse.  Thanks to mods for all the work you have put in to get it this far though.

        Roy

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        I shall be astonished, Roy, if anyone sees fit to implement an “advanced” search facility hereabouts.

        Shortly before we lost the old forum, I commended a modestly priced ‘engine’ which demonstrably works on many other sites … but I was pretty-much ridiculed for so doing.

        MichaelG.

        Michael

        That’s very disappointing, I would expect modern forum software to have such a facility as standard, just waiting to be activated.  Given the state of the rest of the system, this could have been a relatively workable fallback.

        For me, the new posts display is the key facility, as it seems to be for many others, you never know where an interesting topic might turn up.  The old ME forum used to be my favourite, the new posts being my way in, as with HMEM.  The Barton site uses active thread flags instead which works well for me but of course there’s less traffic there.   How a free-to-use web site fits Morton’s business model I don’t know, but an off-putting web site can’t be of benefit.

        Roy

        #679309
        Michael Gilligan
        Participant
          @michaelgilligan61133
          On Roy Vaughn said

          MichaelG and Nick

          Yes, I’ve done search by name with success.  However, with this post I had moved on to more general search.  Maybe familiarity will help, or an “advanced” search facility will be implemented to make life easier?  I’m old and prefer to avoid change, especially when new is worse.  Thanks to mods for all the work you have put in to get it this far though.

          Roy

          .

          I shall be astonished, Roy, if anyone sees fit to implement an “advanced” search facility hereabouts.

          Shortly before we lost the old forum, I commended a modestly priced ‘engine’ which demonstrably works on many other sites … but I was pretty-much ridiculed for so doing.

          MichaelG.

          #679222
          Roy Vaughn
          Participant
            @royvaughn26060
            On Michael Gilligan said

            At the risk of stating the obvious, Roy

            You could try a search for roy vaughn

            https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/search/roy+vaughn/

            … a quick scroll down those results includes posts by you about els

            MichaelG.

            MichaelG and Nick

            Yes, I’ve done search by name with success.  However, with this post I had moved on to more general search.  Maybe familiarity will help, or an “advanced” search facility will be implemented to make life easier?  I’m old and prefer to avoid change, especially when new is worse.  Thanks to mods for all the work you have put in to get it this far though.

            Roy

            #678413
            Nicholas Farr
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              @nicholasfarr14254

              Hi Roy Vaughn, I did say you need to have a good memory, but if you posted photos and have a record of when the photo was taken or uploaded, it is a good clue as to which page to look in around that date. However, I put in the search box “electronic leadscrew” which took me to https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/topic/latest-me-els-article/page/2/#post-659987 and then to your post https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/topic/latest-me-els-article/#post-659855

              Regards Nick.

              #678331
              Michael Gilligan
              Participant
                @michaelgilligan61133

                At the risk of stating the obvious, Roy

                You could try a search for roy vaughn

                https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/search/roy+vaughn/

                … a quick scroll down those results includes posts by you about els

                MichaelG.

                #677764
                SillyOldDuffer
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                  @sillyoldduffer
                  On Roy Vaughn said
                  On JasonB said
                  On Roy Vaughn said

                  Have the images which I uploaded on the old site been deleted, I can’t find them?

                  Also, how do I access my posts?

                   

                  See this reply about albums

                  Click “profile” on the green bar and the default page that comes up is your activity (posts)

                  Just one post there, does this mean that nothing from the old site has been copied over?  Surely we have not lost all that invaluable material accumulated over the years (I don’t mean mine)?

                  P.S. The notification via email does not appear to work yet for me.

                  Hi Roy,

                  looks like the new site Profile is only showing posts since go-live, which I think is a bug.

                  According to the Moderator Dashboard, you have made no posts at all.  I think that’s also a bug!

                  However, if I use the Moderator Dashboard to look for Topics started by your good self, it finds three, which could be right.

                  I think the posts have transferred OK, but are difficult to find.   If you can remember which topic they’re in, your posts should be accessible through that route, though it’s pretty cumbersome.   Searching for ‘Vaughn’ is easier, but I’m not sure it finds everything.  I had over 10000 posts on the old forum and searching for SillyOldDuffer comes back with 5399 hits.  Hmmm.

                  Gold star for finding at least two, maybe three, serious bugs in one go!  I’ll report them – a new reporting system was set up earlier today and I have get in and to learn how to use it!

                  Investigating your email problem – watch for a Message

                  Dave

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  #677691
                  Roy Vaughn
                  Participant
                    @royvaughn26060
                    On JasonB said
                    On Roy Vaughn said

                    Have the images which I uploaded on the old site been deleted, I can’t find them?

                    Also, how do I access my posts?

                     

                    See this reply about albums

                    Click “profile” on the green bar and the default page that comes up is your activity (posts)

                    Just one post there, does this mean that nothing from the old site has been copied over?  Surely we have not lost all that invaluable material accumulated over the years (I don’t mean mine)?

                    P.S. The notification via email does not appear to work yet for me.

                    #677131
                    Graham Meek
                    Participant
                      @grahammeek88282
                      On JasonB said
                      On Roy Vaughn said

                      Have the images which I uploaded on the old site been deleted, I can’t find them?

                      Also, how do I access my posts?

                       

                      See this reply about albums

                      Click “profile” on the green bar and the default page that comes up is your activity (posts)

                      While I have played around with my Google Chrome, and Microsoft Edge to try and tone down the screen with little success. I must report I am not seeing any “green bars”, only a very pale grey.

                      Regards

                      Gray,

                      #676964
                      SillyOldDuffer
                      Moderator
                        @sillyoldduffer
                        On Journeyman said

                        Made a post to test the editor. It has problems viz. the mark up code is getting into the post rather than the intended formatting. ie. trying to centre text ended up with – <p text align=center> rather than just centred text </p>

                        Test post in the “Test Post Thread” – where else would it be!

                        John

                        On Roy Vaughn said

                        Have the images which I uploaded on the old site been deleted, I can’t find them?

                        Also, how do I access my posts?

                         

                        I guess you missed the pre-launch discussion about this Roy.  The new site does not need Albums.  Instead images are loaded directly into posts and stored with them.   No need to upload to an Album first.   A way of downloading images from Albums was provided by a member, but I don’t think it was used much.   I didn’t bother because I already have local copies which are higher resolution than those stored in the Album.

                        The new site has a Gallery facility, but this is intended for images and documents that aren’t in a post.  (Perhaps to support a Classified Advert.)  I doubt Galleries will be popular.

                        To access your posts, login, and click Profile in the Green Banner.  They should all be listed under the header blurb.

                        Dave

                        #676939
                        JasonB
                        Moderator
                          @jasonb
                          On Roy Vaughn said

                          Have the images which I uploaded on the old site been deleted, I can’t find them?

                          Also, how do I access my posts?

                           

                          See this reply about albums

                          Click “profile” on the green bar and the default page that comes up is your activity (posts)

                          #659937

                          In reply to: Latest ME, ELS Article

                          Stephen Ward 1
                          Participant
                            @stephenward1

                            If anyone has any questions about the "Thread to shoulder mod" (or divider) feel free to ask/message.

                            Steve

                            ​​​​​​​Posted by John Hinkley on 11/09/2023 15:51:58:

                            Simon,

                            I was interested in this addition, but Duncan's link didn't work for me. However, it gave a starting point for a bit of Googly detective work. There's World of Ward for starters and from Roy Vaughn's pointer you get to Thread to shoulder mod in James Clough's "issues" tab on github. The discussion progresses to stopping and starting threading. It sounds more complicated than it is, probably. Easier if you have the code installed and the display in front of you, I guess.

                            John

                            #659871

                            In reply to: Latest ME, ELS Article

                            John Hinkley
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                              @johnhinkley26699

                              Simon,

                              I was interested in this addition, but Duncan's link didn't work for me. However, it gave a starting point for a bit of Googly detective work. There's World of Ward for starters and from Roy Vaughn's pointer you get to Thread to shoulder mod in James Clough's "issues" tab on github. The discussion progresses to stopping and starting threading. It sounds more complicated than it is, probably. Easier if you have the code installed and the display in front of you, I guess.

                              John

                              #591293

                              In reply to: Gib missalignment

                              Igor P
                              Participant
                                @igorp45053
                                Posted by Roy Vaughn on 23/03/2022 15:37:37:

                                I second what MikeK has said. I've just been through this with my X2. I machined the gib screws to a point which improved things a lot.

                                Will give it a try. Some prefer pointed gib screws, some say flat, I checked mine and they are flat. What about rigidity? Increasing it would be my goal. Also reduced friction, but that I already got due material combination.

                                #579073

                                In reply to: Fusion360 tutorials

                                Henry Brown
                                Participant
                                  @henrybrown95529
                                  Posted by Roy Vaughn on 06/01/2022 19:13:52:

                                  The problem I have Henry is getting stuff to stick in my old brain. It helps now that I have a second screen on my PC so I can keep reference/tutorial material open at the same time as Fusion 360 so that I can more easily go back to remind myself again about what I've already forgotten! I've been using Paul McWhorter's videos and they've been very useful as a starter. Continual product updates to user interfaces is a modern curse unless you are selling training.

                                  Aye, I know the feeling since having Covid at the beginning of November my brain isn't what it was, long Covid apparently, and I know just what you mean. I usually use F360 on a 17" laptop on my lap so not much space for another screen, hence thinking about a reference book.

                                  #545327
                                  Pete.
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                                    @pete-2
                                    Posted by Roy Vaughn on 15/05/2021 23:33:19:

                                    I've come across some daft stuff on the Internet but a thread discussing a video we aren't allowed to watch is right up there with the best!

                                    👍 Thanks this made me laugh

                                    #468806
                                    SillyOldDuffer
                                    Moderator
                                      @sillyoldduffer
                                      Posted by Roy Vaughn on 02/05/2020 19:16:46:

                                      The idea that solving a hardware problem in software is possible mad comes as a surprise, in the microcontroller world the software often (usually) has to work around and protect against "hardware" artifacts, that is, the real world. For example, contact debounce is simple in software …

                                      Roy

                                      Hi Roy,

                                      I apologise for 'mad', it was a very poorly chosen word! I was thinking of my dodgy efforts at overcoming hardware problems in software, especially interference, not your valid examples!

                                      Been playing with a couple of different 433Mhz transmitter and receiver modules and Arduino this week and one of the transmitters (claimed 90m range) generates enough RF to upset the Arduino. Scope screenshot shows 3V of noise superimposed on an Arduino 5V digital output pin when the transmitter is sending!

                                      sds00002.jpg

                                      And the el-cheapo 5V wall wart I first used to power the receiver is noisy enough to deafen it.

                                      Someone who shall remain nameless spent a day attempting to fix the software rather than sort out shielding, short wires, and a better power supply.

                                      blush

                                      Dave

                                      #468658
                                      SillyOldDuffer
                                      Moderator
                                        @sillyoldduffer
                                        Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 02/05/2020 16:00:01:

                                        Posted by Roy Vaughn on 02/05/2020 11:33:23:

                                        … During the build I found that screened cable was needed to stabilise the display even without obvious sources of interference nearby. …I've found that when the cable is passed close to either the lathe's motor or the stepper, there is still occasional interference. … Obviously I will arrange the final installation to minimise the chance of interference but the fact that it could still occur with potentially unfortunate results convinced me that something needed to be done. I've therefore made a small modification to the code to disable keypad input when the spindle is turning….

                                        Just my opinion but I like the flexibility of changing thing when the spindle is turning.

                                        Tony

                                        +1 to Tony. But also, it goes against my grain to cure a hardware fault like interference with a software fix. It's not mad, but I'd prefer to fix the interference first. There's a hint of a related, but different, cable problem in 'I found that screened cable was needed to stabilise the display'.  Likely the signal is being distorted as well.

                                        The LED&KEY display is based on a TM1638 chip. It communicates with a computer with a fast synchronised serial data stream, which is encoded and decoded at each end. It's data rather than plain switching. In addition to power, there are CLOCK, STROBE and DATA signals. My LED module runs at about 300kHz, a radio frequency that doesn't carry well on ordinary cable, being prone to radiate and receive interference and distort. The application  really needs a data cable.

                                        I suggest the problem is made for an Ethernet Patch Cable and RJ45 sockets.

                                        Ethernet cable contains 4 twisted pairs and a shield.

                                        dsc06224.jpg

                                        So Power (+ and -ground) on first pair, STROBE & ground on second, DATA & ground on fourth, CLOCK and ground on the fourth. Then the POSITIVE, STROBE, DATA, and CLOCK signals are each independently balanced against ground to prevent interference and cross-talk. And all four pairs are further shielded behind an Aluminium foil wrap. Carrying high frequency signals on twisted pairs allows them to go further along a cable without losing shape and amplitude.

                                        A standard ethernet patch cable can be bought: plug pin connections described here.

                                        However, at the sockets, the pins are not Ethernet standard. Instead the ground side of each pair should be brought together and grounded at both sockets. Then the other 4 pins are run to POSITIVE, STROBE, DATA, and CLOCK; any pair can be used provided the computer and display ends match!

                                        External RF interference to power and control circuits is almost always due bad practice inside the victim. It's the electronic equivalent of a leaky roof. Better to fix the roof than catch drips in buckets!

                                        Dave

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 02/05/2020 17:20:04

                                        #468645
                                        Tony Pratt 1
                                        Participant
                                          @tonypratt1
                                          Posted by Roy Vaughn on 02/05/2020 11:33:23:

                                          I have just got my implementation up and running on the lathe, all is operating as it should. During the build I found that screened cable was needed to stabilise the display even without obvious sources of interference nearby. As the control panel is not yet permanently mounted I can move it around to test its residual susceptibility to interference. I've found that when the cable is passed close to either the lathe's motor or the stepper, there is still occasional interference. It gave me a fright the first time it happened with the lathe turning and the feed engaged, when the system switched itself unbidden from a slow metric feed to coarse tpi. Obviously I will arrange the final installation to minimise the chance of interference but the fact that it could still occur with potentially unfortunate results convinced me that something needed to be done. I've therefore made a small modification to the code to disable keypad input when the spindle is turning. Has anyone else made any safety mods to the software?

                                          Just my opinion but I like the flexibility of changing thing when the spindle is turning.

                                          Tony

                                          #468631
                                          Brian Oldford
                                          Participant
                                            @brianoldford70365
                                            Posted by Roy Vaughn on 02/05/2020 11:33:23:

                                            I have just got my implementation up and running on the lathe, all is operating as it should. During the build I found that screened cable was needed to stabilise the display even without obvious sources of interference nearby. As the control panel is not yet permanently mounted I can move it around to test its residual susceptibility to interference. I've found that when the cable is passed close to either the lathe's motor or the stepper, there is still occasional interference. It gave me a fright the first time it happened with the lathe turning and the feed engaged, when the system switched itself unbidden from a slow metric feed to coarse tpi. Obviously I will arrange the final installation to minimise the chance of interference but the fact that it could still occur with potentially unfortunate results convinced me that something needed to be done. I've therefore made a small modification to the code to disable keypad input when the spindle is turning. Has anyone else made any safety mods to the software?

                                            Perhaps you would be kind enough to publish those code mods at the Github repository.

                                            #443061

                                            In reply to: Nalon Viper

                                            John MC
                                            Participant
                                              @johnmc39344
                                              Posted by Roy Vaughn on 23/12/2019 11:02:23:

                                              John, you seem to be suggesting that the rear outer race should be free to move in the housing. This is exactly the condition that must be avoided at all costs with this type of motor. As Rob M says in his article, the hammering the rear bearing gets will eventually loosen the outer race if it not securely fitted, friction will build up and performance will be lost. High performance motors which use standard ball races often use a nut to secure the inner to the shaft. The philosophy nowadays is to clamp everything up so it can't move. The expense of shimming is the price to be paid.

                                              So, the recommendation is to impose a preload on the bearing to try and stop them moving in the case? Looking at the lengths these guys go to extract the last few watts of power from these engines it seems to me to be counter productive.

                                              Frankly, it looks like some engine designers have gone down a non-productive alley with design. While some of what they do is impressive in terms of power to weight ratio, the designs are not so good. Time for a rethink perhaps.

                                              #440643
                                              blowlamp
                                              Participant
                                                @blowlamp
                                                Posted by Roy Vaughn on 07/12/2019 12:37:19:

                                                Thanks for that insight Martin, not worth potentially spoiling the ship for a h'p'orth of tar.

                                                Re the motor controller, is it always necessary to set it up from a PC or are they normally supplied pre-configured? I'm thinking particularly of the hybrid stepper kits from Stepperonline?

                                                Roy

                                                For almost all applications (99% I would think) they are ready to go. My understanding is that the driver constantly monitors & updates its output 'on the fly' to best suit the current operating conditions – I believe that is why they are based around a very powerful processing chip.

                                                Martin.

                                                #440382
                                                Tony Pratt 1
                                                Participant
                                                  @tonypratt1
                                                  Posted by Roy Vaughn on 05/12/2019 09:59:03:

                                                  Thanks Phil for the TI steer and John for the installation info.

                                                  Tony, can you tell us a bit more about your stepper problems and how you resolved them? Are the torque specs not to be believed?

                                                  Roy

                                                  I first used a Nema 24 stepper from an Ebay supplier & under a decent cut the motor was not up to the task, on checking the holding torque I got just over half of the advertised 4 Nm, motor was rejected & I got a full refund. I got the 2nd one from a UK supplier also advertised at 4Nm, this was also not giving out a holding torque of the full 4 Nm but useable.

                                                  Tony

                                                  #439616
                                                  Michael Gilligan
                                                  Participant
                                                    @michaelgilligan61133
                                                    Posted by Roy Vaughn on 01/12/2019 00:05:34:

                                                    Michael, I'm not an expert either but clicking on the Ebay link in the encoder line item on the Clough42 web site takes me to something with what looks like an identical spec. Not worth ordering anything else and risking problems for the sake of a couple of weeks in my view. The big ticket item is the stepper motor and controller.

                                                    Zan, thanks for the link, looks like very comprehensive description of the mods. For reference in full (sorry I don't know how to make it clickable), it's:

                                                    http://www.jeffree.co.uk/pages/ml7-cnc/part-1-files/myfordcncpt1.htm

                                                    Roy

                                                    .

                                                    Cheers, Roy yes

                                                    Here’s your **LINK**

                                                    http://www.jeffree.co.uk/pages/ml7-cnc/part-1-files/myfordcncpt1.htm

                                                    MichaelG.

                                                    #439278
                                                    Brian Oldford
                                                    Participant
                                                      @brianoldford70365
                                                      Posted by Roy Vaughn on 26/11/2019 19:57:16:

                                                      Thanks for your replies, saves a bit of money compared with doing it yourself direct with the States.

                                                      Is anyone else planning to fit ELS to a Myford S7?

                                                      Hi Roy

                                                      Between my other large list of other jobs I'm in the process of fitting one to my S7.

                                                      I'm trying very hard to squeeze the stepper motor into the change gear casing at the LH end of the machine.

                                                      Brian

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