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    david ilott
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      @davidilott55988

      hi all. i,m david oldest apprentice here, joined to make my own bits for my norton stuff being made ie pattern items no damn good. i have acquired a little drummond round bed lathe circa 1920,s would like to go thread cutting but need info on change gear wheels set up and what gearing for different threads and speeds etc ,ps after basic turning and boring learnt first! all the best, david,

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      david ilott
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        @davidilott55988

        david grandad newbie!

        #495437
        SillyOldDuffer
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          @sillyoldduffer

          Welcome aboard David. Feel free to ask questions when you get going and please post if you know any answers! More the merrier.

          Cheers,

          Dave

          #495439
          Brian H
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            @brianh50089

            Hello and welcome David. I'm afraid that I cannot help with the specific problem but you should find some details about your lathe here;

            http://www.lathes.co.uk/drummond/index.html

            Brian

            Edited By Brian H on 12/09/2020 16:36:54

            #495453
            Howard Lewis
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              @howardlewis46836

              For thread cutting you need to start by knowing the pitch of the Leadscrew.

              Once known you will be able to calculate the ration between that and the mandrel to produce a thread of the pitch that you require. You then need to find the changewheels set up which will provide that ratio.

              You mention Norton, so I guess that most will be Imperial sizes, but not sure whether Whit form or Imperial.

              Up to 1/2", I would feel inclined to use Taps and Dies. If the thread is large, and likely to be deep, you can set the Die to take a cut less than full depth, and then tighten to finish to the correct depth. Suitable lubricant, often used are Trefolex or Rocol RTD.. You can use either a commercial nut or a newly tapped home made nut as a gauge, to asses thenb thread being cut by a Die. With nuts, you have to accept what the tap produces.

              Another item to make or buy could well be a Tap or Die Holder that can "float" to ensure that the thread is concentyric on the raw material. (An off-centre Tailstock or poor drill chuck could pull the Tap or Die off centre resulting in a "drunken" thread which is not be recommended either for strength, effectiveness or looks.

              My choice would be High Spped Steel taps and dies. They arer more expensive, but they break less easily in my hands! Needless to say, the cut should be reversed every half turn, to break off the swarf, before taking the next half turn. Taps do not bend easily and break.

              To ensure that the tapping is "square" to the work, you can use (make ) bushes to hold the tap square to the work surface, or even go to the trouble of making, or expense of buying, a tapping aid. I made mine from a redundant pistol drill stand and a drill chuck. It has the advantage that if things get tight, the chuck slips before I break the Tap, and there is the chance to back out, clean and relubricate, the Tap, before trying again..

              You may find it useful, as an early project to make a Mandrel Handle. Especially if you are cutting up to a shoulder or into a blind hole. This will allow you cut slowly, and stop as soon as you feel that the Tap or Die has reached the end of the hole or is against the shoulder.

              If there is enough metal around a hole with a stripped thread, you can either use a helicoil (With its oversize drill and tap) or drill / tap out oversize to insert a threaded bush to revert to the original size thread.

              These ramblings will be of some help, I hope.

              Howard

              #495457
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                You need to join Groups.io Drummond section which has all the backup information to complement Lathes.co.uk. There is also a Facebook group but information on there scrolls out of sight in a few days so it is not so usefull.
                Lots of your questions are covered on the above sites and previous Drummon related posts on this forum so you will find a lot of information you need is already here and has been asked before. You will also find in the beginner threads posted by other people recommendations for the books to read.

                Howard above mentioned that you need to know the pitch of the leadscrew. You should already have seen written or more simply worked out by experiment that the Roundbed is unusual in that respect.

                #495492
                Nicholas Farr
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                  @nicholasfarr14254

                  Hi David, there is a manual, accessories and lathe work, for the 4" roundbed lathe Machine Tool Manual -A Library which you may find of help.

                  Regards Nick.

                  #495617
                  Howard Lewis
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                    @howardlewis46836

                    Having read the Lathes UK pages on the Roundbed Drummond, IF my calculations are correct, the Leadscrew is 10 tpi, but is a Right Hand thread, so that rotating the handle clockwise will move the Saddle away from the Headstock.

                    If you have not already had a look at these pages, it would be a few well spent minutes so to do. There is, as ususal with Lathes UK, a lot of information there.

                    Howard

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