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  • #403947
    bernard towers
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      @bernardtowers37738

      would like to build a EDM machine but finding information hard to come by. any assistance would be appreciated .

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      #33384
      bernard towers
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        #403949
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Hello Bernard

          This is good: **LINK**

          https://www.camdenmin.co.uk/products/the-edm-how-to-book

          … That said; I bought a copy years ago, and still haven't built one blush

          MichaelG.

          #403955
          Alan Johnson 7
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            @alanjohnson7

            Construction of an EDM was a four part series in MEW. Issues 168 to 172. I have only read it in passing, and never constructed one…. yet! Just have to finish a couple of other projects first!

            #403956
            Jeff Dayman
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              @jeffdayman43397

              Hi Bernard, would recommend the book "how to build an EDM" by Ben Fleming in the USA. Great reference book. I built an EDM in 2011 using his circuit in the book as a general guide. You do not need to purchase a PCB from him to make it, I did have some issues with the comaparator IC he specified not being able to withstand the current draw of some of the components I used. A friend helped design an equivalent-function circuit using very cheap but high current discrete components. It has worked just fine since. If you do end up using this circuit please contact me before buying parts and I'll give you full details of what I did and some pics and video of the EDM I built.

              I would not recommend the sink EDM design published in MEW a few years ago, the one using a vibrating electrode and hand-operated capacitor terminal connections at line voltage. This design had serious electrical safety issues and vibrating electrodes is not at all necessary and ruins accuracy. It can be useful for blasting out broken taps but for precision work it is not recommended.

              #403971
              Chris Evans 6
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                @chrisevans6

                Plus one for not using the vibrating electrodes. I made my living in a toolroom for many years operating EDM machines. Some had the vibration setting but was a gimmick that upset the stability. Getting an EDM machine working well is all about balance of servo/flushing of debri and the correct pulse on pulse off times. I suspect a home built machine will just work on relaxation principle and not pulse?

                #403973
                Les Jones 1
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                  @lesjones1

                  I have built an EDM machine based on the bits of information I could find on the web about Ben Fleming's design. It is the capacitor discharge version as I could not fined enough information on his pulse version. (I was too mean to buy his books.) It works quite well.

                  Les.

                  #403977
                  JA
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                    @ja

                    I am building Ben Fleming's second EDM machine. It is described in his book "Build a Pulse EDM machine". The book is not cheap and the electronics is even more expensive. I choose the pulse design because sensible capacitors for the resistor-capacitor set up used in his first book are hard to find.

                    Ben's second machine uses a voltage of around 100vdc which is switched by a MOSFET (a bank of 6 in his case) at frequencies up to about 20kHz. There is also provision to lift the electrode every ten or so seconds to flush out the debris. Everything is adjustable in the design, the front panel of the electronics box is very intimidating.

                    I can provide photographs etc if anyone is interested.

                    #403982
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133
                      Posted by JA on 07/04/2019 09:51:05:

                      I can provide photographs etc if anyone is interested.

                      .

                      Yes please yes

                      MichaelG.

                      #404058
                      JA
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                        @ja

                        As requested, 3 photographs of the electronics box. The names of the controls are not stickers but an annotated photograph as a reminder to me (dither is the period of withdrawal of the electrode to allow escape of the debris).

                        annotated.jpg

                        dscn7482a.jpg

                        dscn7484a.jpg

                        Ben suggested using an old PC box. I had one but found its construction so complex that it became easier to build my own. The box is possibly too small but the use of 12" long metal stock allowed a quick and easy construction.

                        The circuitry is not complex. The power is provided by 80vAC through a full bridge rectifier. The maximum power is 650VA and is controlled by a bank of forced air cooled resistors. The switching of the power is by a MOSFET controlled by a 555 timer. Another 555 timer is used for the dither period. The electrode position is determined by comparing the discharge voltage with a required operating voltage and a minimum voltage required to prevent the electrode hitting the work. The electrode position is driven by a simple servo motor. I know there are other ways of controlling the discharge and position of the electrode but as an electronics simpleton I am happy with most of Ben's circuitry.

                        I have to say that the project is very much "work in progress". I have just started on the electrode head.

                        #404063
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          Thanks for those, JA yes

                          … much appreciated.

                          MichaelG.

                          #404069
                          SillyOldDuffer
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                            @sillyoldduffer

                            Yes, very good JA. Nicely done, thanks for sharing.

                            Dave

                            #404308
                            bernard towers
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                              @bernardtowers37738

                              Thanks for all the info I will get the book from Camden and see what that looks like but after looking at the pics it looks a little bit daunting to a mechanical man with only simple electronic knowledge. Again thanks for all the info.

                              #404324
                              Roger B
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                                @rogerb61624

                                There is also some information on Ron's Model Engineering web site:

                                **LINK**

                                If you choose 'Resources' on the left hand side followed by 'How to?' You will see a list of topics. 'Remove a Broken Tap' takes you to the pages on 'Making and Using a Basic EDM'

                                Best regards

                                Roger

                                #404337
                                Emgee
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                                  @emgee

                                  An EDM design and build article appeared in the Strictly IC magazine many years ago, so if you have a friend with that mag collection you have another choice.

                                  Emgee

                                  #404344
                                  IanT
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                                    @iant

                                    Much as I'd like to build something as sophisticated (and impressive) as the EDM machine JA has built – I'm afraid it's never going to happen at this stage in life. However – whatever their limitations – there are much simpler designs around that I might consider building – especially for the removal of broken taps and making small 'oles-in-ard' things…

                                    I saw this simple EDM set-up at Guildford MES in 2016 – and had a chat to the builder (sorry I did take his details but cannot find them att). As I understand it, an electromagnet pulls the anvil up until a capacitor fully charges, where upon it falls back and touches the work, thereby discharging the capacitor – and causing the required spark – the cycle then repeating ad-infinitum. A very simple concept and no complex electronics required.

                                    I'm not sure if this is the same as one of the other EDM systems already mentioned and there may well be all sorts of limitations associated with this simplicity – but it would certainly cover most of my (admittedly) limited needs…and the work samples shown were quite impressive…

                                    Regards,

                                    IanT

                                    PS Sorry – image started off right way up but seems to have done a 90 degree rotation on up-load…

                                    Simple EDM

                                    #404346
                                    Frances IoM
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                                      @francesiom58905

                                      the Guildford one may be that by Maurice Fagg – on the SMEE stand? – it certainly worked on the same principle + I recall it being there in 2016 + 2017 but in a more skeletal version.

                                      #404361
                                      An Other
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                                        @another21905

                                        Hi, Bernard – sent you a PM.

                                        #512663
                                        Robert Betteridge
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                                          @robertbetteridge46995

                                          I met Maurice's machine and loved its capacity to make blind square holes but haven't the electronic nous to make one.
                                          Instead I bought a Watton Electronics Ltd "Arc-out" Model 1B (from 1965 or so).
                                          It lacks electrodes, and herein lies my question – how are they attached?
                                          The fitting is a brass thread 1/4" x 26 BSF, with an axial hole of variable diameter through which water is supplied, the bottom of this fixing ("a&quot is rough.
                                          This is capped by a nut, closed at the bottom with hole .165" ~ 4,19mm in diameter.
                                          A "lollipop" with a cylindrical head could be retained by the cap but – "a" is rough ; this would leave a tube, od 4mm, id circa 1mm., which would be rather fragile if threaded.
                                          I suppose larger diameter tubes could be added and secured with a side locking screw, or did Watton have another way?

                                          Kind regards, Rob.

                                          #512682
                                          Dunc
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                                            @dunc

                                            There was(?) a very simple version that used 2 light bulbs & a bridge rectifier published in an old Popular Science book (Google on the web), March 1968. Intended, mainly, I believe, as a proof of concept although it could do real work. That said, this thing was *dangerous* with line voltages (110-120 volts or dc equivalents) "all over the place." I guess if I were desperate to remove a broken tap – where all else failed – I might give it a go. I have not reached that point – yet (not to say that I have had my share of broken taps). Reprints float around the web but I have no direct links.

                                            The US magazines – Home Shop Machinist/Machinist's Workshop – (uncertain which one) had some updates to the original Popular Science article.

                                            #512723
                                            mark costello 1
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                                              @markcostello1

                                              There must be an unspoken of club for unfinished EDM machines, similar to the Quorn cutter grinder. My electric box is done and untested.I need to make the burning head and it's ready to go, going on 7 or 8 years so far.

                                              #512735
                                              bernard towers
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                                                @bernardtowers37738

                                                Mark, From my original request for info in April 2019 I decided to go the Ben Fleming route but have to admit that I have not achieved very much, just collected a few components and done a little on the hardware so perhaps I’d better join that club!

                                                ,

                                                #543527
                                                wilson logan 1
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                                                  @wilsonlogan1

                                                  I was looking at this for my EDM head:

                                                  edm-head.jpg

                                                  #543535
                                                  Jeff Dayman
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                                                    @jeffdayman43397

                                                    You do not need to rotate or oscillate the electrode for successful EDM. In fact doing so will reduce accuracy of cut, because the motion will need clearance to work, and that clearance will be multiplied by the distance from electrode tip to rotate / oscillate mechanism , cutting the hole much larger than the electrode.

                                                    An accurate linear slide to hold the electrode, and a DC gearhead motor or servo to operate a leadscrew to drive the slide up and down are all that is needed, if you use the Ben Fleming design. If you are going to spend some cash, get a decent linear slide and forget about rotating the electrode with the apparatus in your picture.

                                                    I built a Ben Fleming Mk.1 conventional EDM (sink) machine in 2009-2011 with such a slide (from Deltron in the USA) and some other variations and it has worked great since. If I make copper electrodes .003" smaller than the desired finished hole dimension the holes (whatever shape) come out VERY close to dead nuts on size.

                                                    #543552
                                                    Dave S
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                                                      @daves59043

                                                      I to have a mostly finished Ben Fleming EDM.

                                                      What are people using for the dielectric fluid?

                                                      Dave

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