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  • #27793
    Kiwi Bloke
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      …or why is life so difficult?

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      #509930
      Kiwi Bloke
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        Has anyone got access to more detailed bearing specs than seems to be readily available off the 'net? I'm going slowly nuts trying to discover whether there is any difference between single-row, deep groove bearings type 99502H and 1623 2RS. They appear to be dimensionally identical (5/8" X 1 3/8" X 7/16" . 99502H appears in various sources to be a 'special agricultural bearing', but why, or how, it's 'special' isn't stated. Published material spec. seems similar, although 99502H seems to be made of Unobtainium here in NZ. Detailed seal design doesn't appear to be standardised across manufacturers. One might expect an ag bearing to have better muck-excluding seals, but is that the case? I'm faced with having to replace a couple of 99502H which have failed as a result of dust ingress (ultra-fine loess clay dust), so seal performance is important.

        Is this a case of manufacturers promoting illusory differences, or are there real differences – and, if so, what? If the bearings are in fact the same, why the different identification codes?

        [edited to remove stupid winking face thingy – when will this bug be fixed?]

        Edited By Kiwi Bloke on 26/11/2020 08:55:07

        #509940
        Ronald Morrison
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          @ronaldmorrison29248

          Wild guess? Speed of operation. Most bearings in agricultural use are slow turning. Other bearings might need better quality as speed is much higher. Now you need to explain where the bearings are used. What kind of agricultural equipment and where on that equipment?

          #509941
          Ady1
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            @ady1

            You're looking for detailed opinions/experiences and not really giving anyone much detail

            #509944
            pgk pgk
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              @pgkpgk17461

              Digging about on google- One site Link suggests that they are an imperial bearing with a metric ID 11mm whereas 7/16ths works out as 11.11mm. In which case they aren't the same as 1623 2RS..????

              pgk

              #509947
              Emgee
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                @emgee

                99502H Bearing
                Rubber Sealed Deep Groove Ball Bearings: One of the most commonly used bearings, these types are manufactured with rubber seals inserted into the outer raceway and in contact with the inner race providing protection against the ingress of moisture, dust and other foreign matter and serve to retain the pre-filled grease in the bearing
                Seals can be easily removed for applications that only require 1 seal.

                16232RS Rubber Sealed Deep Groove Ball Bearing 0.625×1.375×0.4375 inch, almost the same description as above.

                Seems either will be suitable for your use but best to have spares in stock to replace as required, a similar type of use in an agressive environment was discussed in this forum some time ago.

                Emgee

                #509955
                Hopper
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                  @hopper

                  It's in the suffixes.

                  XXXX2H indicates the inner and outer races are made from a special high temperature tool steel.

                  XXXXX2RS indicates its a both-sides rubber sealed bearing, of the standard type.

                  So your original would be a heavy duty bearing for higher temp operation, such as heavy load without recirculating oil lubrication etc. to keep temperature down.

                  Chart here has all the standard codes: **LINK**

                  2H is way way down the bottom.

                  #509965
                  David Jupp
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                    @davidjupp51506

                    99502H Sealed Deep Groove Ball Bearing with Special Bore 5/8"x35mmx11mm

                    1623-2RS Imperial Sealed Ball Bearing 15.88mm x 34.93mm x 11.11mm (5/8" x 1 3/8" x 7/16" )

                    So not quite identical sizes.

                    Edited By David Jupp on 26/11/2020 11:27:29

                    #509975
                    Hopper
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                      @hopper

                      Imperial. That might be why it's "unobtainium" in New Zealand then. Those imperial sizes are going that way. Seems to be plenty of them on US lawnmower parts websites though.

                      #509976
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        Some sites show the 99502H as all imperial rather than just the 5/8 bore so be careful what you need.

                        #509982
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 26/11/2020 08:53:37:

                          […]

                          [edited to remove stupid winking face thingy – when will this bug be fixed?]

                          Edited By Kiwi Bloke on 26/11/2020 08:55:07

                          .

                          Now that the big question is answered … may I just address your edit ?

                          It is not a bug … it is an optional feature in the forum software, which can be activated or de-activated by a logical switch.

                          Our problem is that MTM elects to have this ‘convenient feature’ active.

                          crying 2 [screaming thing inserted manually]

                          MichaelG.

                          #510047
                          DC31k
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                            Posted by Hopper on 26/11/2020 10:46:56:

                            It's in the suffixes.

                            XXXX2H indicates the inner and outer races are made from a special high temperature tool steel.

                            XXXXX2RS indicates its a both-sides rubber sealed bearing, of the standard type.

                            So your original would be a heavy duty bearing for higher temp operation, such as heavy load without recirculating oil lubrication etc. to keep temperature down.

                            The suffix is only true if the XXXX in both cases is in the same language. In the case of the bearing under discussion, 99502 is not an ISO designation (I have failed to determine to which, if any, naming standard it does belong), whereas 1632 is ISO and the chart to which you link is specifically for NTN bearings*.

                            Other references, and indeed the original poster, refer to it as an agricultural bearing. Many of the listed applications are ride-on mowers, hardly an application for high temperature tool steel. (https://bearingsdirect.com/agricultural-ball-bearings/99502h-agricultural-ball-bearing-5-8×1-3-8×7-16-sealed-sc0228lu)

                            It is interesting that some of the descriptions of the 99502 bearing market themselves as being made from a special chrome tool steel, which, when you check the standard mentioned (SAE-52100) is a standard bearing steel. The snake oil is marketing this bearing to mower people is probably the same as that marketing gold plated plugs to hifi people.

                            * I particularly want to buy a C2 bearing off them, to check it the table is correct.

                            #510049
                            J Hancock
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                              @jhancock95746

                              Lip seals won't last long in that situation.

                              Any chance of putting an automatic greaser into the bearing housing via the grease point, or an air bleed ?

                              Anything to keep the clay dust out.

                              #510125
                              Kiwi Bloke
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                                @kiwibloke62605

                                Well, thanks for trying to help, folks, but the mystery remains. The bearing manufacturers and suppliers publish information on the 'net, but don't provide enlightenment. Both types seem to be chrome-steel construction, and have the same imperial major dimensions, but some sources translate imperial into metric, with variable rounding or truncation, or are quote correct to the nearest micron. Impressive precision, but, of course, illusory – the work of someone who knows not what they are doing. I've even seen one of these described as a 6202 (a standard metric size: 15 X 35 X 11 mm), but with a 5/8" bore.

                                I still want to know what the difference is – if any!

                                #510132
                                Hopper
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                                  @hopper

                                  All you can do really is order a couple with the same number as what you have, off one of the many websites supplying them for lawn mowers and fit them to your machine. They cost a whole $3.70 each on some of those sites and seem to be as common as muck. Chinese sites will probably ship for free but the US ones probably want the usual $60 minimum.

                                  #510145
                                  Ronald Morrison
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                                    @ronaldmorrison29248

                                    if you spend enough time on bearing manufacturers websites trying to sort out the terminology the use so you can compare the various bearings between suppliers you will become more confused and frustrated. Unless the bearing is a very special application that requires high precision and high speed operation, just measure the ID, OD, and width and pick a bearing. If the lip seals won't keep the dust out, nothing will. Greasing the bearing won't be of much help as you can't push out all the dust that is in the bearing but simply dilute the grease/dust mix that is in there. Hopefully the location of the bearing will make for easy replacement. Buy 2 or more and store the spares where you can find them.

                                    #510207
                                    Andy_G
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                                      @andy_g
                                      Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 27/11/2020 10:27:39:

                                      I still want to know what the difference is – if any!

                                      The 99502H seems to have imperial ID & OD, but metric width:

                                      This lists both (pdf file)

                                      99502H

                                      ID 0.6250" / 15.875mm

                                      OD 1.375" / 34.925mm

                                      Width 0.4331" / 11mm

                                      1623

                                      ID 0.6250"

                                      OD 1.375"

                                      Width 0.4375" (7/16" ) = (11.113 mm)

                                      Edited By Andy Gray 3 on 27/11/2020 14:18:53

                                      #510299
                                      mark costello 1
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                                        @markcostello1

                                        As a hint for All Who grace this forum, I have a dollup of advice to add. It's best not to order bearings by number alone. I work with a Friend Who worked the Customer counter at a Bearing house for years and He agrees with My experience. Some bearings are stock sizes used for customization. A 6202 bearing can have the OD or ID changed to make it a different size and They WILL NOT change the numbers on the bearing. It's best to measure every dimension to see if it agrees with Your expectations.

                                        #510303
                                        Bill Dawes
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                                          @billdawes

                                          I thought the last two digits gave an indication of the od. eg a 6202, 6203, 6205 etc would be the same bore but bigger od as far as I know.

                                          Have a look at the SKF website if you have a strong constitution, bearing manufacturers world wide use similar codes for standard bearings at least. (ISO I believe) 'Specials' are likely to be ones made for a specific customer, what we call a special is probably in their 'standard' catalogue range but not off the shelf.

                                          I do not work for a bearing manufacurer but have used a lot over the years in my industry of industrial fan engineering.

                                          Good luck

                                          Bill D.

                                          #510310
                                          RMA
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                                            @rma
                                            Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 26/11/2020 08:53:37:

                                            Has anyone got access to more detailed bearing specs than seems to be readily available off the 'net? I'm going slowly nuts trying to discover whether there is any difference between single-row, deep groove bearings type 99502H and 1623 2RS. They appear to be dimensionally identical (5/8" X 1 3/8" X 7/16" . 99502H appears in various sources to be a 'special agricultural bearing', but why, or how, it's 'special' isn't stated. Published material spec. seems similar, although 99502H seems to be made of Unobtainium here in NZ. Detailed seal design doesn't appear to be standardised across manufacturers. One might expect an ag bearing to have better muck-excluding seals, but is that the case? I'm faced with having to replace a couple of 99502H which have failed as a result of dust ingress (ultra-fine loess clay dust), so seal performance is important.

                                            Is this a case of manufacturers promoting illusory differences, or are there real differences – and, if so, what? If the bearings are in fact the same, why the different identification codes?

                                            [edited to remove stupid winking face thingy – when will this bug be fixed?]

                                            Edited By Kiwi Bloke on 26/11/2020 08:55:07

                                            I can't help you with the specs of the bearings, but it would appear that the premature failure is due to poor seals and I would suggest putting an additional seal to prevent the dust getting to the normal seal. A seal to protect a seal in effect.

                                            Many years ago when I worked for Timken Bearings we specified metal seals which cut into the edge of the bearing. I can't remember the trade name now but they were very thin, so didn't take up much room in the assembly. They proved very effective in hostile environments.

                                            Having done a quick search I found Nilos rings, which appear to do the same thing. I hope that has been of some help.

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