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  • #20121
    Steve M
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      #522133
      Steve M
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        @stevem

        Hi All,

        Today I finally took the plunge and brought myself my first mill. It's a second hand old Warco and I got it for a really good price. The model number VM 15 model and is driven by belts to adjust the speed.

        I was wondering if anyone has the same model and if so do you happen to have the instruction manual? If so, would you be able to email me a copy?

        The mill came with a box of end mills, face mills, drills, collet chuck etc but doesnt have a vice.

        I've ordered a few bits and pieces from ARC and have to say that their service has been exceptional. I just wondered if anyone has brought and used their Precision vices? I’m looking for a normal milling vice and also one that tilts. Or am I better off to look for a second hand one on ebay? If so, what brand is good.

        Sorry if I’m covering off old ground.

        Kind Regards

        Steve

        #522139
        not done it yet
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          @notdoneityet

          I just wondered if anyone has brought and used their Precision vices? I’m looking for a normal milling vice

          I have ‘normal’ milling vises and also a couple of type ll – a 70mm and a 90mm.

          They are now my ‘go to’ vises, if appropriate for the job. The others are used when it suits or the type lls are not big enough.

          Type ll might be considered as ‘marmite’ vises – some like them and some definitely don’t (it’s how I got my second) but not a lot come up second hand.

          You may have noted that Arc do more expensive tilting vises – but good tilting vises take up a lot of table vertical space and are not needed so very often. I have an Abwood which, while it doesn’t eat anything, is not used much!

          Abwood vises are good quality, if buying second hand – as long as not damaged or worn out.

          How big is a VM15?

          #522142
          Pete.
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            @pete-2
            Posted by not done it yet on 23/01/2021 20:

            How big is a VM15?

            Got a photo of this mill, a Google search doesn't reveal one of these machines?

            #522144
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              It’s a wild guess, but … try this thread: **LINK**

              https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=162074

              MichaelG.

              #522146
              Pete.
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                @pete-2
                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 23/01/2021 21:10:39:

                It’s a wild guess, but … try this thread: **LINK**

                https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=162074

                MichaelG.

                Thanks Michael, that's more than likely the one, seems big enough for most 4" vices, just depends what the op will be using it for that will decide what's most suitable.

                #522153
                David George 1
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                  @davidgeorge1

                  I have the 100mm vice swivel base from ARC and it is solid. I have removed the swivel base as it gives you more height cutter to table and it is more solid but I use it when I have multiple angles to mill.

                  130-040-00800* Radial Milling Vice 100mm

                  David

                  #522164
                  Ian Johnson 1
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                    @ianjohnson1

                    I've got the 70mm type 2 precision vice from Arc Euro and it is excellent, well made, very accurate and sturdy. You could fit the bigger 90mm on your table and have plenty of room to spare.

                    I've not found the need to get a tilting vice so can't really comment, I've always tilted the job in some sort of fixture, or with a clamping arrangement on a face plate, or in the vice itself.

                    IanJ

                    #522175
                    not done it yet
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                      @notdoneityet

                      Just a heads up re the type ll vise, particularly if bought second hand. Check that the tightening screw/bolt cannot foul the bed when fully screwed in. There was a problem with some of them, but easily sorted by removing a small amount of metal from the screw/bolt to avoid any possibility of marking the machine bed.

                      #522212
                      Steve M
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                        @stevem
                        Posted by Pete. on 23/01/2021 20:55:59:

                        Posted by not done it yet on 23/01/2021 20:

                        How big is a VM15?

                        Got a photo of this mill, a Google search doesn't reveal one of these machines?

                        Hi Pete,

                        Yes, I did have a google about but it didn’t bring anything up.

                        Please see attached the photos. Apologies for the quality I took them quickly when I brought it but then had to dissemble the mill into manageable pieces to get it out of a first floor flat workshop..

                        img_6518[70].jpg

                        #522213
                        Steve M
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                          @stevem
                          Posted by not done it yet on 23/01/2021 20:34:21:

                          I just wondered if anyone has brought and used their Precision vices? I’m looking for a normal milling vice

                          I have ‘normal’ milling vises and also a couple of type ll – a 70mm and a 90mm.

                          They are now my ‘go to’ vises, if appropriate for the job. The others are used when it suits or the type lls are not big enough.

                          Type ll might be considered as ‘marmite’ vises – some like them and some definitely don’t (it’s how I got my second) but not a lot come up second hand.

                          You may have noted that Arc do more expensive tilting vises – but good tilting vises take up a lot of table vertical space and are not needed so very often. I have an Abwood which, while it doesn’t eat anything, is not used much!

                          Abwood vises are good quality, if buying second hand – as long as not damaged or worn out.

                          How big is a VM15?

                          Ok thanks a lot. The table size is 55cm x 16cm

                          Cheers

                          Steve

                          #522214
                          Steve M
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                            @stevem
                            Posted by Michael Gilligan on 23/01/2021 21:10:39:

                            It’s a wild guess, but … try this thread: **LINK**

                            https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=162074

                            MichaelG.

                            Thanks Michael

                            #522215
                            Steve M
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                              @stevem
                              Posted by not done it yet on 24/01/2021 08:15:39:

                              Just a heads up re the type ll vise, particularly if bought second hand. Check that the tightening screw/bolt cannot foul the bed when fully screwed in. There was a problem with some of them, but easily sorted by removing a small amount of metal from the screw/bolt to avoid any possibility of marking the machine bed.

                              Thanks a lot.

                              #522216
                              Steve M
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                                @stevem
                                Posted by Ian Johnson 1 on 24/01/2021 00:49:09:

                                I've got the 70mm type 2 precision vice from Arc Euro and it is excellent, well made, very accurate and sturdy. You could fit the bigger 90mm on your table and have plenty of room to spare.

                                I've not found the need to get a tilting vice so can't really comment, I've always tilted the job in some sort of fixture, or with a clamping arrangement on a face plate, or in the vice itself.

                                IanJ

                                Cheers Ian.

                                #522217
                                Steve M
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                                  @stevem
                                  Posted by David George 1 on 23/01/2021 22:09:38:

                                  I have the 100mm vice swivel base from ARC and it is solid. I have removed the swivel base as it gives you more height cutter to table and it is more solid but I use it when I have multiple angles to mill.

                                  130-040-00800* Radial Milling Vice 100mm

                                  David

                                  thanks David.

                                  #522235
                                  Nicholas Farr
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                                    @nicholasfarr14254

                                    hi Steve, I think you actually have an early Warco Economy mill/drill Warco Economy

                                    Regards Nick.

                                    Edited By Nicholas Farr on 24/01/2021 11:28:39

                                    #522244
                                    Mike Hurley
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                                      @mikehurley60381

                                      Certainly looks like the Economy mill – I think it was 'badged' by a number of companies years ago. Good and solid assuming its not been abused, not much to go wrong otherwise (i.e. no Iffy electronics)

                                      I'v got a similar sized more modern machine (but dovetail column etc) and generally find that I use my ARC Precision Tool Vice Type 3 most of the time for a lot of things. I've 3 or 4 other vices of varying types but rarely use them, I do have an 'economy' tilting one that I bought when first starting out but don't think I've ever had call to use it.

                                      I would consider getting a couple of assorted slotted angle plates though if you don't already have any. So many clamping options avaiable with a bit of ingenuity!

                                      Enjoy your new toy. Regards

                                      #522259
                                      BC Prof
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                                        @bcprof

                                        Be careful where you install the mill. My version came with the warning

                                        "Please not to be installing complex machine in the sunshine place "

                                        I heeded the warning and the machine worked very well . Very solid and easy to adjust .

                                        Brian

                                        #522260
                                        DiogenesII
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                                          @diogenesii

                                          ..if you can't download the Grizzly manual ( 'now discontinued' ), in Nick's link above, an internet search for 'RF-25 mill manual' might bear fruit.

                                          Also the Grizzly manual for it's bigger brother, the G0705, is still available to download – notwithstanding slight differences in capacity and maybe detail variations, the layout of the controls and the manner of operation is pretty much the same, I think.

                                          Looks a useful machine, I like the stop on the Y axis, it shows some previous owner was thoughtful..

                                           

                                          Edited By DiogenesII on 24/01/2021 13:37:28

                                          #522334
                                          Pete.
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                                            @pete-2
                                            Posted by BC Prof on 24/01/2021 13:28:16:

                                            Be careful where you install the mill. My version came with the warning

                                            "Please not to be installing complex machine in the sunshine place "

                                            I heeded the warning and the machine worked very well . Very solid and easy to adjust .

                                            Brian

                                            This is England, so not much chance of that.

                                            #522337
                                            Steve M
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                                              @stevem
                                              Posted by Mike Hurley on 24/01/2021 11:57:37:

                                              Certainly looks like the Economy mill – I think it was 'badged' by a number of companies years ago. Good and solid assuming its not been abused, not much to go wrong otherwise (i.e. no Iffy electronics)

                                              I'v got a similar sized more modern machine (but dovetail column etc) and generally find that I use my ARC Precision Tool Vice Type 3 most of the time for a lot of things. I've 3 or 4 other vices of varying types but rarely use them, I do have an 'economy' tilting one that I bought when first starting out but don't think I've ever had call to use it.

                                              I would consider getting a couple of assorted slotted angle plates though if you don't already have any. So many clamping options avaiable with a bit of ingenuity!

                                              Enjoy your new toy. Regards

                                              Thanks a lot Mike that's really helpful.

                                              #522338
                                              Steve M
                                              Participant
                                                @stevem
                                                Posted by Pete. on 24/01/2021 17:42:37:

                                                Posted by BC Prof on 24/01/2021 13:28:16:

                                                Be careful where you install the mill. My version came with the warning

                                                "Please not to be installing complex machine in the sunshine place "

                                                I heeded the warning and the machine worked very well . Very solid and easy to adjust .

                                                Brian

                                                This is England, so not much chance of that.

                                                Thanks Brian.

                                                #522339
                                                Steve M
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                                                  @stevem
                                                  Posted by Nicholas Farr on 24/01/2021 11:28:23:

                                                  hi Steve, I think you actually have an early Warco Economy mill/drill Warco Economy

                                                  Regards Nick.

                                                  Edited By Nicholas Farr on 24/01/2021 11:28:39

                                                  Thanks Nick

                                                  #522340
                                                  Steve M
                                                  Participant
                                                    @stevem
                                                    Posted by DiogenesII on 24/01/2021 13:36:47:

                                                    ..if you can't download the Grizzly manual ( 'now discontinued' ), in Nick's link above, an internet search for 'RF-25 mill manual' might bear fruit.

                                                    Also the Grizzly manual for it's bigger brother, the G0705, is still available to download – notwithstanding slight differences in capacity and maybe detail variations, the layout of the controls and the manner of operation is pretty much the same, I think.

                                                    Looks a useful machine, I like the stop on the Y axis, it shows some previous owner was thoughtful..

                                                    Edited By DiogenesII on 24/01/2021 13:37:28

                                                    Thanks a lot. This worked a treat. It states in the manual that it's weights circa 200 kilos. I can now reflect on how much fun it was (or rather not) getting it out of a first floor workshop without a lift!

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