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    David Taylor
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      @davidtaylor63402

      Hi all,

      The time has come to refurbish my RF-45 clone. I have removed the old bearings and ordered better quality replacements. To see what I'm looking at see http://www.graetech.com/index_files/Page975.htm – I'm doing the same thing.

      But I don't know the best way to fit the replacements.

      Each gear shaft has a bearing at each end. The bearings are press fits onto the shaft and into their pockets in the gearbox castings. The pockets in the bottom of the gearbox are blind, the top are open.

      When I lifted the gearbox lid off the shafts and their bearings came with it which makes me think the lid bearings are a tighter fit than the bottom bearings.

      But I don't think putting it back together that way will be easy because there is no way to align the bottom bearings with their pockets because they're going into blind holes

      The only way I can think to go is to press the bearings onto the shafts first. Then press the shafts into the bottom pockets in the gearbox. Then fit the lid and tighten it down onto the bearings, aligning them through the holes in the top.

      Or should I press the bottom bearings into their pockets first, and then the shafts into them?

      Either way it seems to me I'll be putting stress on the bearings.

      Regards, David.

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      #13166
      David Taylor
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        @davidtaylor63402
        #344942
        not done it yet
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          @notdoneityet

          That URL indicates most of the bearings are shielded. i don’t see any point if the box is oil lubed.

          What is the casing material? I might suggest heat and cold be applied as a means of fitting the pocketed bearings, if appropriate.

          If the bearings are a loose fit in the casing, clearly one would fit to shaft first. Bearing-fit loctite, or similar, would be my choice if the housings are that sloppy.

          #344947
          David Taylor
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            @davidtaylor63402

            I wouldn't say they're loose, I couldn't press them in with my fingers or anything. Would putting the gear shafts in the freezer for hours? a day? do anything without heating the bearings? I really don't want to heat the bearings – I'm sure I'd stuff it up.

            The gearbox is cast iron, the pockets the bearings fit into in the bottom are like top hats turned out of steel and glued or pressed into holes in the cast iron. On the top the bearings just push into the cast iron up to a circlip stop.

            My guess is when it was manufactured the bottom bearings were pressed into the steel pockets which were then put into the cast iron. There is a lot of goop around to stop leaks.

            I didn't think about the shielded bearings until after I'd ordered the new ones. It could be because the manufacturer knew they were not doing a great job clearing the casting sand and filings out so safer to just use shielded bearings to get it through the warranty period.

            My particular example is really poor. Burrs on the keyways stopping the gears sliding on the shafts to change speed, a bind in the fine feed mechanism, a tight spot when lowering the quill…

            The 'manual' doesn't even have part numbers for spare parts or specifications for the bearings. All of them are just listed as 'bearing'. Seals are the same – they're all 'oil seal'.

            #344955
            Hopper
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              @hopper
              Posted by David Taylor on 08/03/2018 04:30:01:

              Each gear shaft has a bearing at each end. The bearings are press fits onto the shaft and into their pockets in the gearbox castings. The pockets in the bottom of the gearbox are blind, the top are open.

              In that case, the easiest way to reassemble might be to put the shafts and bearings into the blind bottom holes first. Then heat the top with the open holes and place it down over the bearings already installed on the shafts. If the holes are open you should be able to fiddle the bearings into line with each hole.

              Freezing bearings barely reduces their diameter. The temperature drop is only 20-30C. Heating the cast iron casing to 100 to 200 C gives much more expansion and is the more common way of assembling gear boxes. Try first at 100C. (Heat with propane torch until you can spit on it and the spit really sizzles as soon as it hits. Or use the oven while the domestic authorities are out shopping. )

              Shielded bearings are sometimes used in transmissions (including Harley Fergusson motor bikes) and should work just fine. The shields have a small gap at the inner race so oil can get in there but the shields tend to hold a bit of oil in the bearing, and maybe keep a bit of grit out as you say.

              #344968
              David Taylor
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                @davidtaylor63402

                Will the paint and oil seals survive the heating? There is an oil seal around where the motor shaft enters the gearbox.

                I might just get the shafts and bearings into the bottom then screw the lid down over the top bearings.

                I meant to ask about freezing the shaft to get it into the bearing but I guess your point still stands – 20deg probably won't make a noticeable difference.

                When I'm tapping a bearing into a housing do I tap around the outer part of the bearing or the inner part? I'm guessing the outer part.

                Thanks for all the advice guys.

                #344977
                John Rudd
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                  @johnrudd16576

                  Simply put,

                  When installing a bearing into a housing, pressure needs applying to the outer race….never apply to the inner race.

                  When installing onto a shaft, the force needs to be applied to the inner race, not the outer race.

                  #344980
                  Hopper
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                    @hopper

                    Can you put the oil seal in afterwards? If not, keep the torch away from the seal.

                    Paint should be OK at 100C or so. Just keep the torch moving so you don't burn the paint.

                    You could do as you suggested and use the screws to pull the cover down on to the bearings, but would need to be very careful not to over stress them or strip the threads. Some heating around the bearing boss areas with a propane torch would help.

                    Are the bearings a very tight fit on the shafts? If not, maybe you could install the bearings in the cover and pull them down on to the shafts if they are a looser fit on the shaft than in the housing, which is sometimes the case.

                    #344997
                    larneyin
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                      @larneyin

                      I recently stripped and rebuilt the gearbox on my Warco Super Major version of the RF45 primarily because of leaking oil seals.

                      The Graetech article was invaluable

                      Having thoroughly cleaned out alI the gunge I replaced all the bearings and oil seals with good quality branded ones

                      I found that all the bearings could be removed without the need for heat or excessive force – maybe I was lucky

                      Unsurprisingly a couple of the bottom bearings were shot due to grit

                      When re-building I found it quite straightforward to do so from the bottom up, finally dropping on the top cover with gentle tapping

                      The result is a transformed machine – much quieter and smoother and the sight glass shows the oil to be remaining beautifully clean

                      What a pity the manufacturer would not spend a few minutes cleaning out the castings in the first place

                      PS I took the gearbox off for the rebuild. If I have to do it again I don't see any reason not to do the work in situ

                      #345074
                      David Taylor
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                        @davidtaylor63402

                        Thanks larneyin. How did you clean out the gearbox?

                        Good to know the work is worth doing and bottom up is the way to go.

                        I have left the gearbox on the column. Seemed a lot of trouble to take it off and move it around.

                        #345075
                        larneyin
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                          @larneyin

                          Just with a paintbrush and some dirty diesel I had

                          I took lots of photographs with the intention of doing a write up, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I am well along it smiley

                          The section I really should put up is the power downfeed which Graetech's version didn't have

                          #345095
                          Paul Lousick
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                            @paullousick59116

                            Hi David / Laneyin,

                            I also have an RF-45 mill from Hafco ib Sydney. So far no problems (touch wood) but would probably have to do an overhaule sometime in the future and would be very interested in any hints and photos of how to do it.

                            Paul.

                            #345140
                            David Taylor
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                              @davidtaylor63402

                              Hi Paul,

                              The site I gave the address of above has a good photo that I’ll use for reference when I put mine back together.

                              If you’re having trouble with sticky gear changes then when you rework it take the sliding gears off the shifts and clean the key ways. Mine were burred and this caused the gear cluster to get jammed.

                              I’ll try to take some photos as I go. Or perhaps larneyin will post his.

                              Regards, David.

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