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This topic has 19 replies, 8 voices, and was last updated 30 January 2018 at 18:45 by Neil Lickfold.

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27 January 2018 at 17:53 #13123
Adrian 2
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27 January 2018 at 17:53 #338540
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I am gradually bonding with my "new to me" big bore super 7. I have noticed an increasing number of bruise/digging in marks on the cone on the underside of the top slide base where the locking thrust pads bear.

As noted in a previous thread these pads are handed and profiled to conform to the shape of the cone. The damage seems to be caused by the right hand pad's extreme tip digging in and to a lesser extent it's shortest point ( just visible in the pictures). The main contact surface of the pad does not make contact at all. I think they may be hardened so not easy to fettle.

Has anyone else experienced this type of damage here? Am thinking of making maybe brass pads and blueing and fitting the ends to conform properly to the cone.

A new RH pad from Myford makes no difference. The new pads incidentally , are tapped for extraction. Good idea.

Thank you, Adrian.
27 January 2018 at 18:13 #338542
Nick Hulme
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This might be best posted somewhere other than the 3D Printers and 3D Printing" area of the forum, but while you're here have you considered engineer's blue and scraping them to conform?

My 30.5mm spindle bore Super 7 is at least 60 years old and I've never noticed any marks that cause me concern on the conical section, I'll have a closer look next time I take it off,

– Nick

Edited By Nick Hulme on 27/01/2018 18:13:46
27 January 2018 at 18:26 #338546
Adrian 2
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Thanks Nick,

I have considered fitting them but I think they will be hard. I didn't know I had posted this in the wrong section. Oops !

Adrian.
27 January 2018 at 18:47 #338547
Neil Wyatt
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27 January 2018 at 19:03 #338550
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Thanks Neil.
27 January 2018 at 19:21 #338551
Neil Lickfold
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You will need to refit them. Depending on how they are. If you can share a picture of the pusher parts, the bits that push onto the cone, then better advice can be given. Sometimes it is small things like a bur from manufacturing etc or an edge that is not rounded etc.

Neil
27 January 2018 at 19:23 #338552
Tony Pratt 1
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Have they been put back in the wrong holes?

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27 January 2018 at 19:53 #338560
Adrian 2
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I don't think so Tony, the LH pad conforms quite well to the cone and a new replacement RH is no better than my original.

The damage concerns me and I wondered if others had suffered this problem. The cure no doubt is closely conforming pads.

Neil, the LH pad bears a pretty good contact witness mark. I need to achieve the same on the RH pad.

Thank you both for your replies.

Adrian.
28 January 2018 at 06:14 #338604
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I didn't see your previous thread and can't tell much from your pic above, but I'd be surprised if the pads are hardened. Seems unnecessary in a low-wear application like this, and usually a hardened surface will not grip as well as a softer one. And normal design practice would be to make the replaceable pads softer than than the more valuable cone on the main piece.

If it were me, I'd have a go at filing the tips of the clamping pads to match the shape of the cone, and make sure to round off any sharp edges that might dig into the cone. If the problem persisted, or if the pads were hardened, I reckon I would be making brass ones to fit.

Unless there is some specific reason Myford would make these pads hardened?

Edited By Hopper on 28/01/2018 06:16:10
28 January 2018 at 06:37 #338605
Michael Gilligan
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This previous thread may be worth a look: **LINK**

http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=129986&p=1

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/01/2018 06:38:29
28 January 2018 at 07:40 #338612
Adrian 2
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Thank you Hopper for your thoughts on this. I will see if they are hardened and go from there, I don't see this as a major problem but having noticed the marking taking place I want to put a stop to it.

Michael G, your link is the thread I referred to in my opening post.

Thank you.

Adrian.
28 January 2018 at 07:54 #338617
Michael Gilligan
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The offset of the two clamps from the centre of top-slide rotation will obviously prescribe the required profile, but I have not seen that dimension stated.

… any offers ?

MichaelG.

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Note: the offset is quite evident in this video [about scraping the flat surfaces of the cross-slide] : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0aEaf5gdu0

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/01/2018 07:57:12
28 January 2018 at 07:56 #338618
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Posted by Adrian 2 on 28/01/2018 07:40:19:

Michael G, your link is the thread I referred to in my opening post.

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Adrian,

Yes, that was my assumption … the link was for Hopper's benefit.

MichaelG.
28 January 2018 at 07:58 #338619
Hopper
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 28/01/2018 06:37:38:

This previous thread may be worth a look: **LINK**

http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=129986&p=1

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/01/2018 06:38:29

Ah, yes, possibly hardened to prevent mushrooming under repeated use, maybe? If that is the case, the cure would be to grind them to fit the taper shape using bearing blue and a Dremel type grinder etc.

I do like the idea mentioned of taper pinning so over-tightening of the clamp screws is eliminated, along with concurrent warping of the slides etc.
28 January 2018 at 09:35 #338633
Adrian 2
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I can confirm they are hardened.

Adrian.
28 January 2018 at 10:48 #338642
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Two points to note.

The pads should be a good sliding fit in their respective bores, this will enable the pads to rotate to match the cone at the point of contact. When tightening, approach the pinch point gently, this will give the pads ends a chance of proper alignment.

Making pads is a simple exercise, you can make a jig with the offset in the correct place and a means of radially securing the blanks, the jig main bore is a taper of the same angle of the topside cone. For a previous project I had to make such an item for a different cone angle, pads matched perfectly.
28 January 2018 at 16:36 #338712
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I like the sound of that KWIL. Thank you

Adrian.
30 January 2018 at 17:40 #339070
KWIL
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Adrian 2, you have a PM.
30 January 2018 at 18:45 #339099
Neil Lickfold
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So you can get a dremel or similar, and use bearing blue, and just keep trying and grinding the areas that are touching. Eventually it will be a nice even blue every where. It is either that or making a fixture to grind it to the form of the taper cone. With a bit of experience you get to read the blue and how much to take off at a time and where to blend to etc. GUD bearing blue is very good for this. The thin ones like dykim? dykum? are difficult to read when you have more than 0.001 inches to remove, but is good when you want to be in the tenth's of a thou. Getting a little magnet and gluing to a kebab scure works well for removing such items.
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