Working with gauge plate.

[Nick HulmeParticipant @nickhulme30114]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/02/2017 12:52:29:

out of curiosity what do Commonwealth countries call these steels?

Sheffield Manufacturers and the supplier to Cromwell Tools list it as Gauge Plate but label it as 01/O1

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

Not a fuel manifold John, bleed air.

Martin

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

Posted by Nick Hulme on 15/02/2017 00:31:33:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/02/2017 12:52:29:

out of curiosity what do Commonwealth countries call these steels?

Sheffield Manufacturers and the supplier to Cromwell Tools list it as Gauge Plate but label it as 01/O1

I get my gauge plate in ted in Dublin which is the irish branch of cromwell, and when i ask for gauge plate its marked 01 on the paper wrapping. Its also made in Sheffield, which is good to see.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/02/2017 12:52:29:

Does Canada follow the US?

Yes -as with most things in Engineering.

We even call Aluminium "Aluminum". For basic units such as quarts and gallons we use Imperial. Occasionally we even use metric. Especially for gasoline. What's that petrol stuff I keep hearing about?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/02/2017 01:32:25:

For basic units such as quarts and gallons we use Imperial.

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Now there ^^^ is a dimensional/linguistic difficulty.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, as I understand it:

Imperial Units = British Units

but

US 'Quarts' and 'Gallons' are each smaller than the Imperial volume of the same name.

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Tim Stevens on 14/02/2017 20:49:13:

Hello

Yesterday, Michael Cox 1 told us all:

Gauge plate cuts and drills easily in the as received appealed condition.

He is correct, of course, but it might help others to know that the as bought condition is 'annealed' ,not 'appealed'. Just in case you want to look it up in Machinery's Handbook.

I expect that this message, which is intended to be helpful, will be deleted. Let's see …

Regards, Tim

Helpful corrections can stand. Care is needed when posting corrections not to appear critical of the original poster.

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Neil

[Brian GParticipant @briang]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/02/2017 08:59:06:

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/02/2017 01:32:25:

For basic units such as quarts and gallons we use Imperial.

.

Now there ^^^ is a dimensional/linguistic difficulty.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, as I understand it:

Imperial Units = British Units

but

US 'Quarts' and 'Gallons' are each smaller than the Imperial volume of the same name.

MichaelG.

Canadians use imperial gallons Michael, hence the difference in mpg between Canadian and US versions of the same car. One forum I belong too has a majority of North American members and there the US system is often referred to as "customary units" avoiding confusion with imperial (which replaced customary units across the empire in 1826, hence its absence in the US).

Brian

[IanTParticipant @iant]

I'm afraid a bit of topic drift going on here but I'm so pleased to hear that I've been getting "real" gallons on my trips to Canada Brian – I had assumed that you used 'US' gallons too… I'd consoled myself with the fact that gas was still a lot cheaper than over here – but now discover that I was getting even better value than I thought!

My wife has been 'missing' snow for some strange reason this year and her cousin (just outside Toronto) has just had another 6" fall. I'm afraid I don't miss it at all though – just Tim's donuts….

Regards,

IanT

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Brian G on 15/02/2017 09:48:37:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/02/2017 08:59:06:

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/02/2017 01:32:25:

For basic units such as quarts and gallons we use Imperial.

.

Now there ^^^ is a dimensional/linguistic difficulty.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, as I understand it:

Imperial Units = British Units

but

US 'Quarts' and 'Gallons' are each smaller than the Imperial volume of the same name.

MichaelG.

Canadians use imperial gallons Michael, hence the difference in mpg between Canadian and US versions of the same car. One forum I belong too has a majority of North American members and there the US system is often referred to as "customary units" avoiding confusion with imperial (which replaced customary units across the empire in 1826, hence its absence in the US).

Brian

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Thanks for the clarification, Brian

MichaelG.

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Note: I should really have included the opening line of Bandersnatch's response to Neil:

Does Canada follow the US?

Yes -as with most things in Engineering.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/02/2017 08:59:06:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, as I understand it:

Imperial Units = British Units

 

Yes. I've always known them as "Imperial Units" …. even before I left the UK 50 years ago. It does seem lately that the term has been soften to "British Units", perhaps as a more politically-correct, revisionist version.

The US fluid-once is very close (but not exactly equal) to an imperial fluid oz

The US pint is 16 (US) fl-oz

The US quart is 2 (US) pints

The US gallon is 8 (US) pints

…. see, it's the pint where they went wrong. If they'd got that right, everything else would be (pretty much) right.

(Edit) Sorry, I didn't quote quite enough of your message …. dunno how to fix that now. You can probably figure it out though.

Touché perhaps!

Edited By Bandersnatch on 15/02/2017 15:08:35

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/02/2017 15:04:01:

[ … ]

Touché perhaps!

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MichaelG.

[Roderick JenkinsParticipant @roderickjenkins93242]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/02/2017 15:04:01:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/02/2017 08:59:06

…. see, it's the pint where they went wrong. If they'd got that right, everything else would be (pretty much) right.

But, possibly, more logical since a US pint of water weighs 1 pound

Rod

[Enough!Participant @enough]

> Brian G: Canadians use imperial gallons Michael, hence the difference in mpg between Canadian and US versions of the same car.

> Ian T: I'm so pleased to hear that I've been getting "real" gallons on my trips to Canada Brian – I had assumed that you used 'US' gallons too… I'd consoled myself with the fact that gas was still a lot cheaper than over here

Not to be too pedantic …… well, OK, to be too pedantic …. we actually use litres in Canada for gasoline.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Roderick Jenkins on 15/02/2017 17:43:42:

But, possibly, more logical since a US pint of water weighs 1 pound

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I have no problem accepting the U.S. logic, Rod

… It's the misappropriation of the word 'Imperial' that I find strange.

Anyway, we're straying a bit from Gauge Plate, so I will leave it there.

MichaelG.

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

The US measures were used and known in Britain as 'Winchester' gallons – hence the term Winchester for a large glass jar as used in science labs. It was commonly used in the wine trade and clearly our colonial cousins were fairly familiar with this measure.

There isn't a proper general term to use for 'inch-based but not British' dimensions. Imperial must surely apply to Whitworth and BSF, invented when we had an empire. The term 'unified' rather begs the question 'what on earth is it unified with?'

And 'Metric' simply means 'to do with measurement' so that is no help either. It ought to have been called the 'Decimal System'.

Cheers, Tim

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 15/02/2017 09:26:54:

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Helpful corrections can stand. Care is needed when posting corrections not to appear critical of the original poster.

Some valued forum contributors have poor spelling, perhaps due to dyslexia or other reasons, and spell checkers are not optimised to work with engineering terms. I have known people who have started posting on the forum cease to do so after having poor grammar or spelling pointed out. It's very sad when this a happens as not only have we lost a potentially useful participant, but it can really upset someone and it also deters people who know their spelling is not up to scratch form posting.

The easiest way to avoid causing offence is to assume that such errors are typos. The best way to respond is in a comment that simply uses the correct spelling without highlighting their original mistake.

I participate in another forum where one of the most appreciated participants has appalling spelling; everyone just lives with it and benefits from the excellent content of the postings.

Neil

Well said Neil………..live and let live……………it is the message, not the messenger……. very well done!

* Danny M *

[Brian GParticipant @briang]

Posted by Tim Stevens on 16/02/2017 11:26:35:

…There isn't a proper general term to use for 'inch-based but not British' dimensions…

There is a name for the US system Tim, the United States Customary System (which, just to muddy the water, they often call "English units".

I'm not sure it would help however if there was a general name for non-imperial units as there are so many of them. I drew an Austrian railway station for a (postponed) model, and realised that despite metrication in 1871 the dimensions were round numbers of feet and inches (just like timber here in the UK). Except of course, they would have been Austrian Fuß and Zoll (316mm and 26.34mm), with just as good a right to be called "Imperial" as ours. With a quick web search I found there were dozens of different pre-metrication units, particularly across the German lands.

Brian

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