Starting to build fast speed gear for Drummaond Lathe Rebuild

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Well have decided it might be time to take the electrics of the top of the motor I have and retro fit on on the bench . I have seen dewhurst and many other reversing levers on ebay but know in my box the switch is a very complicated beastie even though its single phase with a big cap its kitty motor I think would it be difficult to convert this to a dewhurst or similar switch what is involved can anyone give any suggestions please?.

 

Thanks M

Edited By Martin Newbold on 17/02/2017 19:21:18

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

I presume something like this would work http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-5-hp-2-hp-Electric-Motor-Reversing-Drum-Switch-Single-Phase-Position-Maintain-/151575110407

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Why do you need silver steel for the counter shaft, BMS will be good here.

Ian S C

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Hi Ian , I could not find any just 303 Stainless so have gone for that . Did not say what it was made of so hopes it is 3/4 and not nearly 3/4. Am really hoping this is all going to work as not going to import a switch until i get somewhere with speed . Will need to figure it out though most likely need to move the motor control else where as its in way

Thanks M

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Welded in nut holder one side

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Hashed up my maths kitty motor runs 3000 rpm lol

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Added in the eye bold and nut all fits ok on this one . Checked my excel spreadsheet and 3000rpm gives me extra 59rpm. I can fit in a six in pulley or even an eight so have room to change speeds M

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi Martin, you will be better to put an ordinary std. nut in the bearing aperture and then drill and pin it through the threaded rod, rather the a Nyloc one.

Regards Nick.

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Hi Nick,

Am going to try the nyloc cut down first. 5mm from the other side of nyloc . I think it should hold fast as it will spin in hole. Why do you think this would not hold i would prefer a castleated nut but its hard to find one 3/4.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

A note on solid very high speed bushes, something I noticed on an Abu 7000 I have from the 1970s

The outside edge of the bush was convex, so it was like a section of ball bearing with a hole drilled through it and this means the bush can move minutely in its seating during the cast which has a lot of loading and goes up to over 20,000 rpm during a big chuck

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

lol this is only going to run around 450 lol

M

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi Martin, a nyloc may well hold OK, but it will be more of a pain to hold while you are tightening it up, or taking it off if you need too, as you will not be able to get a spanner on to it. A plain nut should screw on far enough with your figures and a roll pin will be both much easier to put in and remove. It's the most common way I've seen it done in industry and far easier that a castleated nut. A small nut and bolt can be used instead of a roll pin if you wish, as long as it is not too long to turn in the aperture.

Regards Nick.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Or you could dig the nylon ring out of the Nyloc nuts you already have, put a wide sawcut across the top and you then have a castellated nut that will screw on easily and can be retained with a split pin that will wrap nicely around the reduced dia of the nyloc.

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Thanks everyone I cut the nylocs of with a friends lathe and drilled one and have it pinned with a roll pin works great . Have had to order some more roll pins as I ran out so am in limbo with motor apart until I can fathom what all these connections are fore. I have a circuit diagram but its not helpful as its has 9 types of motors a D.C Series , D.C Compound, Split Phase, Induction Repulsion – Four Motor leads windings in series D.C Shunt , Induction Repulsion Three motor Leads, Three Phase, Two Phase -Three wire , Two Phase – Four wire.

Mine is a Kity motor single phase with a cap and four wires and two temp I don't think it fits into any of these nine so am a little confussed as to what type is what.

M

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

my connections to old switch are as follows if this helps . I really need and electrical genius

my switch had on it these wires connected to the switch I do not understand the letters b, U, V,W do they mean anything to anyone?

Connector Wires

b Brown(temp)

U Brown(temp) + Red (M) + Light-blue (M)

V Black (M) + Dark-blue( Capacitor)

W Yellow (M) + Brown (Capacitor)

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

This is the info on the rotary drum site they wanted 70$US to ship here its a shame its not a Chinese part with free postage that is as good quality makes the purchase around £135 . Anyway I need to figure out wiring for this or Dewhurst his is what they had with it:

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

I had to swap red and black to reverse motor direction if that helps n anyone work out what the motor is please except for single phase kitty

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

This is interesting an American motor kity with a french chassis no 4028201

 

 

Edited By Martin Newbold on 21/02/2017 18:24:25

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Kity were French made woodworking machines

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Thanks Jason it has this written on it Kity motor LS80P IP.45 1.1 kw 1.5HP 6.9A 3000 r.p.m

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

HI have checked wires and Black to Red has 2.3 ohms between them, Blue to Yellow has 5.3 ohms, brown to brown is not open circuit. Blue to Black is 9.12 M Ohms , Blue to Red is 9.32 M Ohms, Yellow to Red is 9.0 M Ohms. Does this make any sense?

M

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Have also stripped this back and wires separate into chassis

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Wow I just love the internet I just found this sitting on a french forum. I hope someone can understand it

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

It would seem from this diagram I posted above that I am missing white to green phase which would give a three phase . So this is a two phase Kity motor I am guessing. Which is what I expected. I am not sure how the capacitor works inline with these two phase coils. I think it must be to do away with armature. it seems to be connected across the black and yellow coil so am guessing this is starter coil at the higher impedence of 5.3 ohms. I am unsure how voltage is applied to this as it is not clear from schematic.

I would be grateful of any help here as was born in a world with semi-conductors and never learned some of this.

Thanks for looking

M

[Martin NewboldParticipant @martinnewbold]

Have now had chance to look at switch while its switching whilst on

Live 240v to V , N and a on box

Neutral 240v to U and b on box

oddly W  on box is not switched and must be for just connecting capacitor to yellow of starter coil. Does this make sense?

Connector Wires

b Brown(temp)

U Brown(temp) + Red (M) + Light-blue (M)

V Black (M) + Dark-blue( Capacitor)

W Yellow (M) + Brown (Capacitor)

2017 13:50:24

Edited By Martin Newbold on 22/02/2017 14:02:44

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