Downloading Digital issues to personal computer

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by jason udall on 29/12/2013 22:45:21:

…but I am sure there is a clause for that in your original t and c..

Edited By jason udall on 29/12/2013 22:49:04

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Must see if I have a copy on file.

MichaelG.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

MichaelG,
I also pay for both mags on DD. I believe that its an annual subscription, on automatic renewal, but of course only as long as my dosh continues to roll into their (bottomless pit?) So my bet is that as both my subs have “expiry” dates Feb + Apl 2014, and I will only pay for print only, I will be losing the digi bit in July.
John

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

“Do I look bovverred?” I dont very often use digi version, in fact its probably months since I last used it.
I think that all or very nearly all printed versions of mags + newspapers will disappear eventually. Dont laugh think back 5-10 years and what changes have come about because of internet.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

I prefer printed copies rather than having to download each issue then save/print what I want to keep but I think thats what will happen before very long.
Progress – hmph!

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by DMB on 29/12/2013 23:34:21:
MichaelG,
I also pay for both mags on DD. I believe that its an annual subscription, on automatic renewal, but of course only as long as my dosh continues to roll into their (bottomless pit?) So my bet is that as both my subs have "expiry" dates Feb + Apl 2014, and I will only pay for print only, I will be losing the digi bit in July.
John

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I've just checked on the "Settings" page and, sure enouh; although I have a Quarterly Direct Debit Instruction, there is a "Subscription expiration" date of 31/03/2014 shown  … So, it appears that they only consider my Subscription [and thus, our Contract] to run "Quarterly in Advance".

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/12/2013 08:50:47

Edit: corrected my terminology ["Subscription expiration"]

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/12/2013 08:59:21

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by jason udall on 29/12/2013 22:45:21:
Good luck… Once the files are off the site ( I guess in july) ..then good luck getting the service.

Where does it say that the files will be removed in July?

I changed to a digital only subscription recently and received this assurance from Katherine Scott at MTM:

"To reassure you, if you take out a Digital Subscription this will indeed entitle you to access to the Online Archive (for the term of your subscription) as well as digital downloads. "

I use Linux on my computer and MTM have not yet released a program for accessing the Digital Issues on that system, although they have said that they intend to, so the Digital Archive is my only means of access.

Russell

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

The files are not comming off the site in July 2014, its only access will no longer be given to print only subscribers.

So you will be OK Russell

"Digital Subscribers and Print + Digital Subscribers are entitled to access this Online Archive* for the term of their subscription. We will also be honouring the access granted to Print Subscribers as part of the 'Complete Package' Subscription. This access will only be available until your subscription expires, and access to Print Subscribers will be totally withdrawn from July 2014."

J

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Jason,

Please don't forget the penultimate paragraph of Clause 11 of the Terms and Conditions:

[quote] Digital Subscribers are currently entitled to access an Online Archive of their magazine in addition to their downloadable subscription issues. The archive is only available in ‘rental’ format via the magazine community website. The archive can only be viewed whilst connected to the internet, and once your subscription expires you will lose access to this archive. MyTimeMedia reserves the right to withdraw this archive without notice. [/quote]

… as discussed around 19/12/2013, I remain concerned by that closing sentence.

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/12/2013 10:24:29

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I would assume(hope) that if it were to be removed totally that MTM would do something similar to the 2014 cut off in that the access for digital and print plus will not be removed while there are current subscriptions running that were taken out on the basis of having access to the archive. Though th elast sentence is just covering their backs.

J

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 30/12/2013 09:44:07:

I changed to a digital only subscription recently and received this assurance from Katherine Scott at MTM:

"To reassure you, if you take out a Digital Subscription this will indeed entitle you to access to the Online Archive (for the term of your subscription) as well as digital downloads. "

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Russell,

I sincerely hope that Katy's assurance proves valid; but you will see that any such information is effectively over-ridden by the opening paragraph of Clause 10 of the Terms and Conditions.

MichaelG.

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 30/12/2013 10:43:12:

I sincerely hope that Katy's assurance proves valid; but you will see that any such information is effectively over-ridden by the opening paragraph of Clause 10 of the Terms and Conditions.

That clause refers to oral rather than written agreements. However, as Jason said, they are just covering their backsides.

Russell.

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

If access to the archive formed part of the value of your subscription. .then 1 reconsider what value the renewed subscription has

2 if perturbed enough ( your own assessment)cancel subs and try and claim back subs on a pro rata basis and

Edited By jason udall on 30/12/2013 11:55:08

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

O.K. Guys, I give up … this is my last post on this thread.

MichaelG.

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These Terms and Conditions (as amended from time to time) constitute the entire agreement between you and MyTimeMedia concerning your use of the Website and supersedes any previous arrangement, agreement, undertaking or proposal, written or oral between you and MyTimeMedia in relation to such matters.

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

MichaelG
I quite understand

[David MannockParticipant @davidmannock24261]

This is ludicrous! I am in Canada and gave up my regular purchases of US mags to focus on the 3 UK magazines that I love. I got a digital subscription thinking that it would be an easy solution to Chapters changing magazine policy. When I originally signed up for this service, we had to download one page at a time and assemble a larger pdf. I told David Clarke that this was unacceptable. Now, a year afterwards, this topic is still under discussion! Why? We are buying a service from a publishing company for money. They are looking at withdrawing services and will probably expect more money for access to the archive in future to pay their wealthy lawyers. I suggest that people with access to clubs share a single subscription and that individuals return to the paper format to give these "publishers" time to get it right. When I saw a message that the time limits were lifted on the reading of any digital downloads I made (0) were being lifted I was livid. The publishers know that this is a an old time hobby and that the generations following this hobby are declining, yet they seem to be determined to make their readership do additional work and in doing that are alienating that readership. IMHO, the worst that can happen is that both magazines go into bankruptcy and the authors of articles have to publish in free or pay as you go forums. Enough is enough. Any magazine that make its readers have to download special apps to save the pdfs, does not deserve to remain in business! For this reason, I am questioning the logic of renewing my 2 subscriptions to these excellent magazines. On the plus side, the lawyers will be able to find new lucrative opportunities elsewhere. Dr David Mannock

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

You don't have to download one page at a time, if you have a digital subscription you can download any mag you have subscribed to since activating your account.

Read how to do it here

[Gone AwayParticipant @goneaway]

Posted by JasonB on 12/01/2014 07:42:15:

You don't have to download one page at a time, if you have a digital subscription you can download any mag you have subscribed to since activating your account.

… but not as a pdf or anything approaching a portable format. Print quality is so-so and the prints contain a watermark that can be very intrusive at times.

Moreover, it's unclear what happens if I stop subscribing and then at a subsequent time (say a couple of years later) replace my computer with a new one. Does PocketMags let me re-download all those old issues (that are no longer on my computer) even though I no longer have an extant subscription? Or did I just lose the lot?

Tried PocketMags when MTM first introduced it. Went back to the online version for the remainder of my subscription. Priced out after that.

[David MannockParticipant @davidmannock24261]

Moderator, I just tried to access my subscription to ME and MEW at pocketmag and got a message saying that the subscription was not active for both magazines. Do I now have to buy another subscription there and lose my existing access to my last years magazines. Can the editorial office download the last 12 months issues of both as full pdf files and email them to me? No watermarks please! If need be use drop box. I have 16 days of a subscription left and still this stupid system will not allow me access to my magazines other than through a magazine reader app that will not save the file. If this is not possible, please return my subscription money to me. All you are doing is pushing your readership to find resources to get illegal copies of these magazines. Wise up, or lose your readership. Thanks, Dr David Mannock.

[David MannockParticipant @davidmannock24261]

Moderator, I should also point out that in North America, my local phone calls are free. I use Telus, my local phone company and get 200 free international minutes a month. I have a pay as you go flip cell phone for tracking my cat's GPS, but do not use portable devices of any other type. I don't need them. Instead of going smaller I have gone bigger and have ~ 120 cores in a spare bedroom running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. Now please get my pdf mags or my money to me ASAP. Thanks, David

[Gone AwayParticipant @goneaway]

Venting at and making demands of the moderators is misdirected and a waste of your time David. The moderators are simply unpaid volunteers drawn from the rest of us members here and have nothing to do with the magazine management. You may as well berate your cat.

As for the rest of your post, it comes across to me as rabid and entirely irrelevant. What on earth has the North American telephone market and your Linux prowess to do with getting the refund that you feel you deserve for your digital subscription? If there's any connection it certainly escapes me.

Edited By OMG on 21/01/2014 00:48:30

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

David have you actually gone through the activation process on Pocket mags as I would not have expected you to have got that message otherwise.

Also what type of subscription do you have as it won't work with a printed subscription

 

OMG there are also several MTM employees who are Moderators not just us few volunteers

 

J

Edited By JasonB on 21/01/2014 07:46:14

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

David,

I suggest you (politely) contact Kate Scott at the subscriptions department. She has been very helpful to me in the past when I have had problems with my subscriptions.

Russell.

[Andrew EvansParticipant @andrewevans67134]

Not sure that the printed magazine works in a digital format anyway. It's designed to be, well, printed and read as hard copy . The content could be published in a digital manner but in a very different format, suitable for pads etc. but that's a different story.

i paid for a physical subscription of MEW a couple of years ago and read every copy when it came in the post and still go back and refer to articles. I then paid for a digital only subscription the following year and barely used it, most issues I never looked at. This is despite me being an avid internet user with laptops and an iPad. It just doesn't work well in digital form as a PDF.

In a world where we have a number of web forums where amazing model engineering content is made freely available (build logs etc) in much greater detail than is possible in a magazine a paid for a PDF copy of ME or MEW looks a bit weak. Not to say the magazine is weak, just it's method for digital delivery.

Andy

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

David, Kate will contact you directly to see if she can help.

OMG, regarding your query about changing computer in the future, Kate says the following

"PocketMags will indeed allow you to re-download your subscription issues in the future (even after your subscription has expired or if you change your device) – you just need to make sure that you have activated your account with them so that the subscriptions issues are approved by our systems and therefore available to download within the offline reader. The Online Archive works in a different way – access is granted based on whether you have an active subscriber number, so these issues will not be available outside of your subscription period."

J

[Oompa LumpaParticipant @oompalumpa34302]

"n a world where we have a number of web forums where amazing model engineering content is made freely available (build logs etc) in much greater detail than is possible in a magazine a paid for a PDF copy of ME or MEW looks a bit weak. Not to say the magazine is weak, just it's method for digital delivery."

In a nutshell. And you can apply this to print, books, music, in fact anything that can be delivered digitally. Instead of embracing the technology and making it work for them, many rights holders tried desperately to restrict the content.

Look how that worked out!

graham.

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