Another scammer

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ketan Swali on 13/04/2016 11:39:47:

Bandersnatch: The scam is more likely to be of Nigerian type origin, which has this particular grammar style.

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Interesting observation, Ketan

I noticed this page when searching for 'carter17 scam'

… Perhaps it's a family business.

MichaelG.

[Keith HaleParticipant @keithhale68713]

SCAM SCAM SCAM

Ketan is spot on.

At CuP we have seen this several times. We have always refused the order. The story as told to me by a bank official unfolds thus;

The cheque/credit card clears.

An unknown courier (with very expensive charges) collects the order

Buyer will claim not to receive his order. Courier will claim that it was delivered and will offer a signature as proof of delivery.

Buyer will claim this is a forgery and will deny any knowledge of signatory.

Buyer will complain to his bank/credit card supplier who will recover his money because they do not want to be involved.

You are left with a dispute with the courier and no goods.

This is a common scam often of Nigerian origin. A variation is to increase the order at the last minute, include tooling or buy something else from you.

Want to secure payment? IRREVOCABLE letter of credit drawn on a London bank payable on sight of shipping documents. Don't despatch until money is in your bank.

Who would be a trader! Wicked world out there!

Keith

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Another site user has been approached with the same scam.

Please be careful.

Neil

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

P.S.

I know it can't solve all these issues, but since some time last year we have had the warning: "Sadly, it has come to our attention that scammers do sometimes contact advertisers so please use good common sense when buying and selling." on the classifieds pages.

Neil

[Keith HaleParticipant @keithhale68713]

P.S. Forgot to mention,

Remember the high charges quoted by the courier ? (see earliier post)

He is involved in the scam and sues you for his delivery costs ……..

just gets better and better don't it?

Keith

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

So, if I get a buyer to pay funds directly into my bank account how long needs to elapse before they can no longer get the funds reversed out?

Also sounds like the seller should have the relationship with the courier, not the buyer.

I've a fairly high value steam engine to sell and I've ruled out eBay because of this specific "never turned up scam" which is increasingly prevalent and eBay don't appear to want to support sellers in this instance.

I am more and more of a mind it's about meeting at a motorway services halfway and cash and goods are exchanged (however dodgy that looks).

Steve

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Posted by Steve Withnell on 13/04/2016 16:04:51:

So, if I get a buyer to pay funds directly into my bank account how long needs to elapse before they can no longer get the funds reversed out?

I am more and more of a mind it's about meeting at a motorway services halfway and cash and goods are exchanged (however dodgy that looks).

Steve

Hi Steve,

To the best of my knowledge, if funds received by BACS/CHAPS in U.K. via a repulatable/well know U.K. bank, or telegraphic transfer from overseas, generally such funds are regarded as 'cleared funds' – without recourse/claw back. Chance of recall in such events is extreamly rare, unless a genuine mistake was made. If you are still not sure, wait for one or two days after receipt, then call your bank to re-confirm.

The motorway service idea always works. I did that a long time back when I bought a '8'ft.wingspan Space Walker' R/C plane from a seller, and we exchanged money at Fleet motorway services. Got some funny looks along the motorway coming back, as people saw a model pilot head bobbing in the model plane (without the wings) in the open trailer which I had borrowed to bring the plane back.

Ketan at ARC.

Ketan at ARC.

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

General Caution:

If the buyer is paying by BACS/CHAPS, the buyer is taking a risk, so they need to feel comfortable about taking the risk to pay the seller in this way. Once payment is made in this way, you cannot get it back.

Ketan at ARC.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

I paid 4K for a car by BACS, I thoroughly vetted the car online & viewed at the home address, I then set up the contact details & transferred £1 to check all was well.

I then went to his house & used his tablet to transfer the rest, all went smoothly.

Just be careful!!! If you take loads of cash don't go alone.

Tony

[Martin 100Participant @martin100]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 13/04/2016 18:18:29:

I then went to his house & used his tablet to transfer the rest

If they had a keylogger active on the tablet they may now have significant parts of the authentication details to enable access to your bank account. With the randomisation of authentication during login to some banks that might not be enough to gain future access but you have exposed yourself to a very significant breach of your data and almost certainly acted outside the agreement you have with your bank for online access.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Martin 100 on 13/04/2016 18:42:25:

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 13/04/2016 18:18:29:

I then went to his house & used his tablet to transfer the rest

If they had a keylogger active on the tablet they may now have significant parts of the authentication details to enable access to your bank account. With the randomisation of authentication during login to some banks that might not be enough to gain future access but you have exposed yourself to a very significant breach of your data and almost certainly acted outside the agreement you have with your bank for online access.

Goddam yes you are right luckily I am confident he is honest, I hope. I also know where he lives & where he works.

Tony

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Ajohnw on 13/04/2016 10:48:27:

There is another aspect related to scams. I had an interesting experience with Amazon

Not a scam (although it could have been one in reverse if I wasn't such an honest fellow) but I had an interesting experience with Apple Canada. I ordered a new iPad from their online store. Tracking data showed it scheduled to arrive (FedEx) on a Monday. The previous Friday, quite late in the evening, Fedex showed up at my door. "Well done" FedEx and Apple I thought.

A couple of days later, I got an email from Apple apologising for the non-delivery and telling me they were doing everything to sort it out. Checking the tracking site showed the parcel was in my local Fedex office.

Since the email was from a no-reply address and a call to Apple, as usual, led to a gazillion-node menu heirarchy – all of which terminated at a customer service agent in the southern US, with an accent you could cut with a knife, and who didn't understand me any better than I understood her – I was unable to advise Apple of the real situation (Not so "well done" Apple).

Finally someone from the Apple store called to follow up and I was able to advise her that the "lost in shipment" iPad was actually sitting on my desk. The FedEx tracking site meanwhile still, to this day, shows the shipment in the local FedEx office.

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

A couple of years ago I sold some stuff locally, cash on collection only. A chap turned up, about twice my size, patch over one eye, ear-rings etc. also two mates about the same. I live in a remote spot and was a bit worried. But all went well and have done deals with the man since. Don't worry to much but take care.

[JAParticipant @ja]

Posted by Gordon W on 14/04/2016 09:25:14:

A couple of years ago I sold some stuff locally, cash on collection only. A chap turned up, about twice my size, patch over one eye, ear-rings etc. also two mates about the same. I live in a remote spot and was a bit worried. But all went well and have done deals with the man since. Don't worry to much but take care.

Could he have been worried about being scammed? He obviously took care.

JA

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Ask him to pay in bitcoin. Transactions are virtually instant and not reversible unless you choose to do so.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I have just been called by a reader who advertised a loco for under £3,000 and has been approached with this scam.

He has received a check for about £17,000, I think, luckily his mental alarm bells are ringing loud!

I have sent him a link to this page, and suggested he takes a good look them contacts the police.

Hopefully this will be a bit more traceable than just an email.

Neil

[alan-lloydParticipant @alan-lloyd]

Sorry for the late reply, but do not accept bankers draughts unless you go to the bank with the buyer and look over their shoulder to make sure its genuine

[Gordon TarlingParticipant @gordontarling37126]

If you have an email from the person concerned, cut and paste the email header into this website Then you can see where the email originated. One I had recently was shown as originating in Lagos, Nigeria, then skipped through two USA locations before I got it. It never hurts to check!

[Martin 100Participant @martin100]

Posted by alan lloyd 3 on 27/04/2016 20:53:30:

Sorry for the late reply, but do not accept bankers draughts unless you go to the bank with the buyer and look over their shoulder to make sure its genuine

For a long while now there have been forgeries of bankers drafts and bank employees appear to have have no way of distinguishing them from the real thing.

If you go to the other parties bank and see the draft actually being issued, it goes directly from the cashier into your possession and you then credit it to your own bank then it should be risk free. In any other circumstances it might not be.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by blowlamp on 14/04/2016 12:04:37:

Ask him to pay in bitcoin.

And the he'll think you are the scammer

Neil

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