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    Jon Cameron
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      @joncameron26580

      Hello all, been a while since I visited this site, so for that I appolagise for my absence.

      I have joined the Cleveland Association of Model engineers, and I am looking to build the Minx as a loco for myself, I was considering the simplex, and possibly even picking up a part built one. However the number of errors reported scares me off it a little as a first build, just too many things to remember.

      Instead I have decided on the Minx that was described in ME in the late 40's. My question is apart from the Stephenson valve gear that has issues, (will be making the joy valve gear instead) is there any other errors that anyone has come across, or know of that I should be aware of? I don't intend on buying any castings instead fabricating it all from bar stock, the wheels will be plain discs but painted black like the rest of the loco, which should hopefully disguise this absence of spokes.

      I am currently working through the articles in ME trying to make my own plans in fusion for the frames as there is a lot of holes for motion and such like omitted on the frame drawings. (Presumably due to the variations available in the designs of mind and Maid of Kent.

      Much appreciate the help while I go through the articles to make a start.

      Jon

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      Jon Cameron
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        #409229
        J Hancock
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          @jhancock95746

          If anything crosses the path of another part , or lies side -by- side as it rotates , then draw everything out

          around those parts on squared paper , using the dimensions on the drawing.

          That way, you might , just, see the errors before committing to cutting metal.

          The great man wasn't perfect !

          #409233
          Jon Cameron
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            @joncameron26580

            Thanks, I have heard of errors in other curly designs, so I thought I'd ask first if there are known ones to consider. The frames are been drawn in fusion 3D, (something else I'm learning), but I hadn't wanted to re draw the whole loco. As that would take me longer than fixing a small issue. Larger ones are a problem.

            #409261
            duncan webster 1
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              @duncanwebster1

              There was a thread some time back from a guy copying all LBSC designs into 3D CAD. Might be worth contacting him to see if he's done Minx

              Dean Da Silva

              #409263
              Jon Cameron
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                @joncameron26580

                Thank you, I have sent him a message previously (on facebook messenger but yet to receive a reply. I've seen his work and he's done a great job on the smaller gauge locomotives. But I don't know if he's done the larger ones, I think the plan was to update and try to breath new life into 3.1/2" and smaller gauge locos and railways.

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                  #409328
                  Jon Cameron
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                    @joncameron26580

                    Hi Bill,

                    The thinking is to machine down and build them up, so machining a disc of the correct thickness/dia for the balance weights then drill and bolt them with countersunk screws and loctite. I'll need three discs for all the balance weights and I'll use a Jig to spot the wheels with the holes same as the balance weights. I've seen it done on a simplex loco (I think it was) and worked well at a much reduced cost to the castings.

                    Jon

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                      @formermember19781

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                      #409509
                      Jon Cameron
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                        @joncameron26580

                        I have been studying the boiler of Minx, and there seems to be a few things that need to change to bring it upto current regulations.

                        If the boiler is built from 5" tube and an outer Firebox wrapper, the 1/2" joint peice is not sufficient for the butt joint, from my understanding any butt joint in a boiler should have a 1" wide peice of copper the same thickness or greater than the two peices it joints. Can someone confirm my ramblings?

                        Also as drawn there is only provision for one safety valve, and there should be two, incase one packs up while in steam. This is rather simple to change.

                        As mentioned above the fittings for the boiler should have bronze bushes soldered into the boiler instead of just plain tapped holes in the boiler.

                        Also the ashpan has a steel bracket screwed into the foundation ring, surely this can't be good for the strength of the boiler/foundation ring, and will also suffer fatigue over time. I think a square peice of steel fixed directly to the frames, to retain the back of the ashpan would be a better solution here.

                        Just a few observations of mine.

                        Edited By Jon Cameron on 16/05/2019 13:52:36

                        Edited By Jon Cameron on 16/05/2019 13:53:58

                        #409550
                        Bazyle
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                          @bazyle

                          Even back then nobody would have thought a but joint sufficient. If no reinforcing piece is shown on the drawing it might be mentioned in the text, or might have been a 'see details of my last boiler' or just considered so obvious as not to need a mention. Anyone actually building the boiler would have quickly found the extension needed something to hold it on while being soldered.
                          The shortfall in some of the older designs tends to be around crown stays wrt current thinking but you need to go over the design with a boiler inspector if you can.

                          #409592
                          Jon Cameron
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                            @joncameron26580

                            Thanks bazyle, I am discussing it with the boiler inspector in our club, but I wanted to see if there was anyone who had built it, and what adaptions they may have done. The drawings show a 1/2" wide peice 13SWG copper for the joint, however I'm thinking of making it easier for myself and doing the front plate (if its called that with an outward flange to go on the outside of the 5" barrel.

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