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  • #427179
    Aled Dafis
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      @aleddafis55847

      Hi, I'm in the market for a 4 jaw self centering chuck for my Boxford C lathe. I'm considering the following

      ARC Euro Chinese origin 125mm – £97 Link

      Sanou (Ebay) Link

      Are there any other better alternatives in this price range?  My preference at the minute is the ARC one due to reliable customer support should I have any isses.

      Both will need a back plate – ARC Euro – £22 Link

       

      Thanks

      Aled

      Edited By Aled Dafis on 02/09/2019 23:33:02

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      #9839
      Aled Dafis
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        @aleddafis55847
        #427188
        Pero
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          @pero

          Hi Aled

          I do have a couple of Sanou 6 jaw chucks but have not yet put them into service so cannot comment on their accuracy. They do however appear to be fairly well finished and the jaws to meet correctly. Incidentally the largest is a 250 mm chuck so they do get up to the "industrial" sizes.

          Before buying I did find a video on the internet ( sorry I don't have a link ) that covers the dismantling and cleaning of one of these chucks ( a self-centering four jaw if I remember correctly ) which the author recommended doing before using.

          This would also include removal of any small burrs.

          Overall the reviews would indicate that they are fit for general purpose work.

          Cheers

          Pero

          #427191
          Neil Lickfold
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            @neillickfold44316

            I have an Emco 4 jaw self centering chuck that is a really good and has great repeatability as well. No idea if they are still made or their price now days.

            Neil

            #427192
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Emco are over budget at £330

              #427204
              not done it yet
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                @notdoneityet

                Aled,

                My comment would be: why self centring?

                Self-centring chucks are not generally the most accurate as far as centring is concerned.

                Only one pair of jaws will grip tightly on anything that is not precisely circular or square. That cannot be accepted as good, either for work-holding or for loadings on the chuck scroll (being concentrated on only two points on the spiral) for anything even only a little out of perfect shape.

                I have a couple – one good quality 160mm chuck arrived with my lathe and does get used, but no more than a 100mm 3-jaw (much lighter!) or 4-jaw independent. I bought the other (a 125mm HBM – so not exactly of poor quality!) for a rotary table but am replacing it with a higher quality 3 (or a 4 jaw independent) so it can be used on ‘odd’ shaped items. The 4 jaw independent alternative is the current favoured choice.

                Further, a 4 jaw independent can be used on rectangular workpieces and for off-setting from the lathe centre line, so far more useful IMO.

                Lastly, you don't have to worry about losing the ‘other set’ of jaws with an independent 4 jaw.smiley

                #427221
                Lambton
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                  @lambton

                  Aled,

                  I have two TOS 4 jaw self cantering chucks; one on a small lathe and the other on a Myford S7. Both are of excellent quality and dead accurate.

                  Eric

                  #427223
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    Again the Tos are well out of the OP's price range at about £300 for a 125mm

                    "Are there any other better alternatives in this price range" which is £50-100

                    #427225
                    pgk pgk
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                      @pgkpgk17461

                      It might be worth considering the extra few quid for a sanou 6-jaw chuck for flexibility and still circa £100

                      #427228
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt

                        I have an Arc one on my SC4, it doesn't see the same amount of use as the 3-jaw but I'm very happy with it. Not essential but when you have a job that suits it, it's really convenient.

                        Some people prefer them to a 3-jaw for general work.

                        Neil

                        #427234
                        Joseph Noci 1
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                          @josephnoci1

                          Not a 4 jaw, but I am not happy with my Sanou 3 jaw – the jaws are very loose in the body. in axis of the chuck.

                          Dial set to zero, with the jaw press up against the scroll in the direction of the dial ( finger pressing is out of image on the right)

                          at rest.jpg

                          Then lifting the front of the jaw up, away from the body, while keeping the jaw pressed against the scroll in the dial direction…

                          There is a similar amount of movement from side to side…

                          jaw front lifted.jpg

                           

                          Holding any part that is shorter than the length of the jaws is a mess – the jaws simply bell-mouth, and not to the same amount…

                          I honestly believe that skimping on the chuck is a big waste of money. You pay big bucks for your lathe, and assuming its good, with good bearings, a good spindle and register, then spoil it with a mediocre chuck…which you have to argue with every time you use the lathe. Maybe a good chuck has a price to balk at, but treated well it will last your lifetime.

                          This Sanou is now used in a jig I made for stamping numbers of handwheel peripheries – it's only good when hammered..

                           

                          Edited By Joseph Noci 1 on 03/09/2019 10:53:49

                          #427235
                          peak4
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                            @peak4
                            Posted by pgk pgk on 03/09/2019 10:24:27:

                            It might be worth considering the extra few quid for a sanou 6-jaw chuck for flexibility and still circa £100

                            Has anyone seen a vendor offering these with a set of outside jaws included (or even available?)

                            Thanks

                            Bill

                            #427257
                            old mart
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                              @oldmart

                              If you don't mind only two of the jaws being really tight at a time, then go for it. The only self centring chuck which is guaranteed to grip on all its jaws at once is a three jaw. So many people are scared to use a four jaw independent, which needs truing up each time, but is the only way to go if positive clamping and true running are of any interest at all. Soft jaws are great for special jobs, but take up much more time to set up.

                              #427261
                              pgk pgk
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                                @pgkpgk17461
                                Posted by peak4 on 03/09/2019 10:55:29:

                                Posted by pgk pgk on 03/09/2019 10:24:27:

                                It might be worth considering the extra few quid for a sanou 6-jaw chuck for flexibility and still circa £100

                                Has anyone seen a vendor offering these with a set of outside jaws included (or even available?)

                                Thanks

                                Bill

                                A quick search shows Bison chucks can have both sets – if you have the spare grand one of those costs..

                                link

                                pgk

                                #427262
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb
                                  Posted by peak4 on 03/09/2019 10:55:29:

                                  Posted by pgk pgk on 03/09/2019 10:24:27:

                                  It might be worth considering the extra few quid for a sanou 6-jaw chuck for flexibility and still circa £100

                                  Has anyone seen a vendor offering these with a set of outside jaws included (or even available?)

                                  Thanks

                                  Bill

                                  They only show stepped or tapered on their website.

                                  #427263
                                  HOWARDT
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                                    @howardt

                                    I use a 125mm four jaw from ARC, it was one of the narrow ones a little lighter than the full chuck. It works great on my SC3 when I need to hold bigger diameters than the standard 80mm three jaw.

                                    #427271
                                    Roderick Jenkins
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                                      @roderickjenkins93242

                                      Have another look at ARC, I've just had a notification that they've slashed the price of some of their 4Jaw SC chucks – almost in halfsurprise

                                      Rod

                                      #427301
                                      DC31k
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                                        @dc31k
                                        Posted by peak4 on 03/09/2019 10:55:29:

                                        Has anyone seen a vendor offering these with a set of outside jaws included (or even available?)

                                        The only off-brand one I have seen with both sets of jaws is by a seller called niuniucme on eBay. Unfortunately, they are in US but if you have a contact there, it may be of some use.

                                        For brand name ones in UK, Rotagrip are competitive.

                                        #427305
                                        peak4
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                                          @peak4
                                          Posted by JasonB on 03/09/2019 13:36:03:

                                          Posted by peak4 on 03/09/2019 10:55:29:

                                          Posted by pgk pgk on 03/09/2019 10:24:27:

                                          It might be worth considering the extra few quid for a sanou 6-jaw chuck for flexibility and still circa £100

                                          Has anyone seen a vendor offering these with a set of outside jaws included (or even available?)

                                          Thanks

                                          Bill

                                          They only show stepped or tapered on their website.

                                          Thanks Jason, yes I've seen that, but several ebay vendors, both UK and Chinese, show a table/spreadsheet which shows the dimensions for the external jaws, but no-one I've spotted actually seems to be able to supply them. I've seen photos of them, but only for the K13-250, which is a bit on the big side.

                                          Maybe Sanou used to make them, and once displayed this table of sizes on their website, but now discontinued.

                                          Bill

                                          #427318
                                          Aled Dafis
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                                            @aleddafis55847

                                            Thanks for all your replies, you've both answered some of my concerns/thoughts and asked more questions.

                                            My intention from the outset was to purchase both a 4 jaw self centering chuck and a 4 jaw independent at some point. The self centring is just so convenient when turning square bar, I've always had access to one at both my school workshops.

                                            I think that I've now sourced a 4 jaw self centring chuck, so onwards to looking for an independent one. Any reccomendations…?

                                            #427478
                                            old mart
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                                              @oldmart

                                              For a four jaw independent, you might look at Arceurotrade, click on their advert at the top. They sell Chinese and Indian chucks. You would also find that getting a lever type of indicator would be easier than the plunger dti for use with this type of chuck.

                                              #427490
                                              peak4
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                                                @peak4
                                                Posted by old mart on 04/09/2019 20:58:49:

                                                For a four jaw independent, you might look at Arceurotrade, click on their advert at the top. They sell Chinese and Indian chucks. You would also find that getting a lever type of indicator would be easier than the plunger dti for use with this type of chuck.

                                                I find the quickest way, is to use a plunger DTI, held horizontally in the toolpost; mainly because they tend to be available with a longer throw than lever type ones. (also when I only had the one clock, it had to be pressed into multiple duties)

                                                A good quick project is to make a second chuck key, which in conjunction with a DTI in the horizontal plane, makes setting up a doddle, as you have access to both of a pair of opposing jaws at the same time.

                                                Bill

                                                #427496
                                                Aled Dafis
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                                                  @aleddafis55847
                                                  Posted by old mart on 04/09/2019 20:58:49:

                                                  For a four jaw independent, you might look at Arceurotrade, click on their advert at the top. They sell Chinese and Indian chucks. You would also find that getting a lever type of indicator would be easier than the plunger dti for use with this type of chuck.

                                                  I've been eyeing these up already. Am I correct to assume from the prices that the Chinese chucks are a better quality than the Indian ones?

                                                  I have a plunger type dti on the way, but also have access to a lever model from school until I buy my own…

                                                  Cheers

                                                  Aled

                                                  #427505
                                                  JasonB
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                                                    @jasonb

                                                    General feeling is that the Zither Indian Chucks are better but ARC now only have the small ones in stock as the factory has a very long lead time and can't keep up with demand.

                                                    What size independant are you looking for? 160mm would be better and the Boxford can take that size.

                                                    Edited By JasonB on 05/09/2019 06:57:50

                                                    #427623
                                                    Martin Hamilton 1
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                                                      @martinhamilton1

                                                      When i spoke to ARC a while back about the Chinese v Indian chucks they said the Indian chucks that had been reduced were a better choice & better made than the Chinese chucks they had.

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