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  • #790299
    JasonB
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      And so begins another engine build. This time the subject is a 1/4HP A J Weed steam engine as featured in the 1895 Chas A Strelinger & Co catalogue which was the second smallest in a range of casting sets for workshop engines they sold range from 1/8HP to 2HP. This is also said to be the same engine that P M Research based their #6CI on, I have not seen the PMR drawings but have based my half size version on some Youtube videos of an engine restoration and the list of various sizes of parts given as part of the spec in the Strelinger catalogue.

      A true half scale would be 3/4″ bore x 1.25″ stroke but my metric version is actually 20mm bore x 31mm stroke, 90mm flywheel and comes out at 210mm long.

      There will be quite a lot of CNC work on this one so look away now if that is not your thing. I also gave 3D metal printing a go for one part, more of that later.

      Aluminium worked out the best option for making the bed “casting” so a block was reduced in size to leave 1mm all round the sides and then the bottom had 1mm skimmed off with an 809mm facemill after which I tapped two M6 holes so a block of metal could be screwed on and that in turn held in the vice.

      The first job on the CNC was just to use the jog as a power feed and skim 1mm off the top with a 25mm insert cutter bringing the 1.25″ stock down to the required 30mm height.

      It was then just a case of running the various paths, first was an adaptive to remove most of the waste, then a scallop that finished all the main surfaces – the vertical ones all have 2degrees of draft angle to mimic a casting. Then a quick horizontal for the tops of the feet and finally spot drilling and then drilling the tapping size holes for the bearing blocks and trunk guide. The holes were tapped M2.5 and M3 using the tapping function of the SX2.7mill to start the blind holes with spiral flute taps then finished to final depth by hand. A quick rub over with Emery to remove the cosmetic tool marks and the base was done.

      More details of feeds and speeds in the video.

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      #790352
      Diogenes
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        @diogenes

        Why the kind of ramping up and down the sides at the head end @ 2 mins in?..

        #790353
        Adrian R2
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          @adrianr2

          Looks more aerospace than Victorian. With what you now know about 3D metal printing, could this base have been economically produced in a batch with the slide, and possibly other parts?

          #790357
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            The 3D Scallop finish path takes some weird and wonderful routes. Basically it steps over a given amount which in this case was set at 0.2mm no matter what the angle of the surface is. So unlike the Adaptive which leaves horizontal steps much like contours on a map the scallop can end up moving in quite complex paths as it may reach a more vertical edge in one direction while still cutting a near horizontal area in the other. I expect the software works out the shortest route to cover the whole surface and that is why it can seem quite random at times.

             

            #790360
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Adrian, I’ll get some prices for various options and post the results in the other thread, probably won’t be until later today. Should also be able to work out what it would cost me to have cast in the UK.

              #790445
              Diogenes
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                @diogenes

                ..I get it – I’d forgot there was draught on it..

                #790446
                Diogenes
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                  @diogenes

                  ..forgott-en, even..

                  #791073
                  Sarah F
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                    A nice bit of machining there Jason, I have a lot to learn.

                     

                    You mentioned that you used Alibre, does that include the CAM and Gcode generation?  I’m only used to Cut2D and Mach3.

                    Regards,

                    Sarah

                    #791076
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      I just use Alibre for the design. For the CAM and G-Code Post Processor I use the free version of Fusion 360 which outputs suitable Mach3 files. I did get Cut2D with the machine but gave up on that after a couple of weeks as it did not really do what I wanted which is a fair proportion of 3D work. Even for 2 nd 2.5D it is a lot easier with the 3D image on the screen then you can just click on say the bottom of a pocket or in teh video below the top of the boss and flat areas each side of the cap to set a height rather than having to look back and find the heights.

                      For tonights entertainment I will cover the bearing pedestals and their caps. The original I am replicating used Babbit for the bearings but I will turn mine from bronze so the pedestals are a bit narrower to allow for flanges each side of the bearing.

                      Two x two blocks of 6082 were roughed out oversize on the manual mill and then located in the KX-3s vice. First I did the hump back profile and boss of the caps followed (not shown) drilling the clearance holes.

                      The pedestals were then located – I tend to use the top centre of the stock a lot as my datum. The basic shape cut with a 4mm 3-flute ali cutter leaving 0.3mm still to come off. The holes were then drilled and in the case of the top two tapped M3. Canging to a 4mm dia cutter with a 1mm corner radius to leave a fillet around the bottom I contoured the pedestal and then screwed the cap in place an ran the contour again at a different height which ensures all the edges match up and are perfectly flush.

                      Back to the manual mill to remove the excess holding material from the bottom of the pedestalls.

                      Then with the caps in place I drilled and reamed for the bearings. Should say 9.8mm drill and reamed 10mm, it’s the crankshaft that is 8mm! No photos of the bearings as they are just bobbin-shaped bits of bronze

                       

                      #791626
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        The original engines came with the two disc type crank webs as iron castings, the one I have based mine on would not turn over and one of the main reasons was that the crank had twisted at one or both of the crank pin to web joints. For this reason, I decided to make my webs from steel so that the whole crankshaft assembly could easily be silver soldered together.

                        The two webs were first turned, drilled and reamed 8mm on the lathe and made good use of a couple of bar ends. I used a CCGT 060208 insert to give a nice fillet to the internal corner.

                        The webs were then held in the 3-jaw chuck using soft jaws and the “cast” recess milled. The majority of the material was removed with a 4mm cutter using an adaptive tool path, this needed a bit of tweaking of the parameters to get the 4mm tool into the narrow gap but was done mostly by reducing the minimum cutting radius. That cutter is starting to loose it’s edge I can hear a bit more noise and it left a small burr around the edge of the cut then changing to a cutter with a 1mm corner radius the bottom of the recess was finished with a horizontal path and lastly the edges of the recess done with a contour going round twice. At about 3.00 mins in you can see that the shaprper cutter removes the burr from the earlier adaptive op.

                        The usual methods of a full length shaft and pin with reduced ends were use to make the other bits from PGMS which was then silver soldered together before a quick clean up skim of the webs on the lathe before the middle if the crankshaft was cut away. Quite like the black oxide from heating that has been left in the recess

                        All seems to fit and go round as it should. I’m not going to fit a pulley on mine so just made the crankshaft on the near side a bit longer than is needed for the eccentric as it saves a bit of shelf space!

                        #792497
                        JasonB
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                          The Cylinder was cut from a block of cast iron. First I machined all the faces with a Shell mill fitted with inserts intended for Aluminium leaving 1mm on the sides, top, bottom and one end. This was then held in the mill vice and the ctr of the piston and valve bores spotted before drilling the valve hole 7.8mm and reaming out to 8mm.

                          Transfering it over to the 4-jaw the second spot mark was clocked true, the bore opened out with a couple of different size drills and then finish bored to 20mm. A also faced off this end where the piston rod goes at the same setting to ensure it was true to the bore.

                          While the cylinder was an easy to hold shape I did the rest of the details – tapped holes for cylinder and valve covers, steam passage and the notch to connect that to the cylinder. The other end was almost the same except it had a 4 hole pattern for the cylinder cover.

                          There was also a tappe dhole for the steam inlet and two holes to connect the valve chamber to the steam passages, the outer part of these holes is tapped M4 x 0.5 and will get plugged after the shaping has been done.

                          It was then onto the CNC to machine the “cast” shape of the cylinder. I did this in two stages, first the teardrop shape between the two flanges with the work horizontal and then the actual flanges with it held vertically.

                          The first part was done with an adaptive to remove the majority of the waste, a quick horizontal to finish the top of the inlet boss, a contour to remove metal from thinner flange faces so that the final scallop path did not drive the cutter into these vertical faces at full depth which was more than the flute length.

                          The “Ace of Clubs” mark you can see on the surface is the result of a tiny bit of backlash in the Z axis and is where the cutter changes from a downward cut to going back up the other side or vice versa. Probably less than 0.025mm (1thou).

                          I will cover the rest of the cylinder in the next update.

                          #792521
                          Diogenes
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                            @diogenes

                            A lot of iron to hog off that – a good illustration of how clean and ‘chippy’ c/cast bar is – not the source of horror that some people would have you believe..

                            #792591
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              What’s that they say about broken eggs and cakes?

                              Best not show this one just taken with a 3-jaw chuck and a bit of CI swarf. F360 tells me there is 65% of the original metal in the swarf tray.

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                              #793315
                              JasonB
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                                @jasonb

                                To hold the part machined cylinder while the end flanges were given their “teardrop” shape I used the CNC to make a simple fixture with two spigots that located into the cylinder and valve bores and tapped for a couple of M6 fixings. It was then just a cas eof screwing the cylinder to the jig and running a 3D adaptive to remove the waste and then a finishing 2D contour on each end.

                                Any excuse for a quick test fit

                                I also turned up the cylinder and valve end covers. This is the spigot that will locate the cylinder into the trunk guide being turned as a second op and held in the softjaws and the trunk guide being used to gauge the final diameter

                                Here are the four covers with all the lathe work complete. I also turned the two bronze glands as “tophat” shapes and drilled their two stud holes in each.

                                Over to the CNC the holes were drilled and tapped as required, the bronze glands screwed into place and the two machined as one to their final elliptical profile.

                                Well it would be nice to say it all went well but I did make a bit of a booboo profiling the first cylinder end. I thought I would be clever and draw the jig in F360 with the larger spigot centred on the X-Y axis as that is what I had used as the datum on the cylinder CAM. However I forgot that when going from design to manufacture (CAM) in F360 the part centres on the material by default so when it came to cut the profile the cylinder was 10mm to the left of where the cutter thought it was. As you will see instead of taking a 0.6mm cut off the left edge the cutter went in at the full 6mm width. Luckily it was on the side of the teardrop where the most metal needed removing and I was able to click the stop icon before I cut into metal that was meant to remain, it also kicked the jig off to the right so that had to be centred up again. :-[

                                #793462
                                Diogenes
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                                  @diogenes

                                  oops.. ..you can achieve that particular result on a manual machine, just takes more skill.. 😊 ..at least one edge finder has given it’s life in service..

                                  #794674
                                  JasonB
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                                    @jasonb

                                    That is why I don’t use my electronic edge finder on the CNC as it is rigid. Mind you it does not do the other type much good if you spin them at 5000rpm as the spring tends to let go but at least it keeps Ketan’s profits up!!

                                     

                                    Swarf production continues at a pace. This time it is the flywheel which was cut from a 25mm slice of 95mm dia cast iron bar, in fact m-Machine sent me 28mm so even more swarf! As I usually do I started on the lathe machining the OD, one side and boring to fit the crankshaft then flipped it over to face the other side.

                                    Then over to the CNC to form the spokes. You are probably getting used to this by now but an adaptive tool path was used to remove most of the waste material

                                    Then a scallop path with a 4mm ball-ended cutter to finish it off. The two were repeated for the second side to complete the CNC work.

                                    Those with a fear of getting cast iron swarf on their chucks and machines should look away now as this is what 40% of the bar now looks like with the remaining 60% as swarf. That was just the CNC work, probably more like 25/75% if finished item compared with supplied stock.

                                    After a quick bit of file work and a tickle with the Dremel to remove machining marks and give a bit of “casting” texture this is what the finished flywheel looks like. The engine I am basing mine on did not have the original flywheel so I have gone with something fairly chunky which seems to suit the rest of the engine which was made to do work rather than be looked at.

                                    #795710
                                    JasonB
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                                      Next up is the Conrod, on the original this is an iron casting and judging by the fracture may well have just been grey iron rather than ductile. I decided to cut it from Hot Rolled steel as there was little point in substituting a piece of Sg Iron bar. The first job was to bring the square bar that I had down to the maximum 16 x 11 which I did with an insert face mill flipping the bar over a few times to balance the cuts either side to help avoid distortion.

                                      With the bar stood on end I drilled tapping size, then opene dup part way to 2.5mm before tapping th eremainder M2.5. The cap was then cut off, the sawn faces milled flat and a couple of temporary cap heads used to hold the cap in place while the holes wer reamed, the ends reduced in size and the fork milled

                                      Over to the CNC it was screwed to a bit of scrap and one sid ethen the other machined with my Usual adaptive fillowed by scallop paths. There is a bit of air cutting at the small end as I did not bother to model the previous manual machining but just used a rectangular bar as the stock. I could also have rounded the end but at the Time of doing the CAM was going to use that for holding the work but in the end I screwed through the holes

                                      No pic of the finished rod but here you can see it being used as a clamp to make sure the soft solder holding the split bronze bearing together did not come apart during the drilling and reaming, just don’t forget it is there as you can’t really see it a a few 100rpm.

                                      #796516
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        The cylinder cladding sheet made a nice change from machining. I started by cutting a strip of 28g copper a couple of mm wider than the length of the cylinder and also about 10mm longer than needed as that was what size sheet I had. The first thing I did was to drill the clearance hole for the inlet boss by clamping to a suitably angled bit of wood to match the angle of the cylinder and then used a step drill to form the hole.

                                        The strip was then wrapped around a couple of bits of bar to get the basic shape before screwing one end to the underside of the cylinders end flanges. I could then wrap it around the cylinder to mark the final length which was then cut and filed before adding another two screws to fix that end. With it screwed into place I filed off the extra length at each end until it was flush with the cylinder. When fitted the two ends butt up against each other but it needs a bit of spring to allow it to open and slide over the inlet boss.

                                        The next item to tackle was the crosshead, like the original I made this from cast iron but used 25mm bar as my starting point rather than a casting. This was turned to just enter the trunk guide, faced and tapped M4 x 0.5 before being sawn off the bar and faced to final length. It was then lapped into the trunk guide with 600g silicon carbide powder mixed into a paste with oil.

                                        Then over to the CNC for a bit of shaping. Adaptive with a 3mm tool to start, then the horizontal surfaces were finished with the same tool before changing to a 2mm dia ball nosed cutter to do the “hump”. As this was fairly flat I opted for a parallel finish path with 0.15mm stepovers. Last thing that side was to drill and ream for the pin after which it was turned over so the same milling paths could be run again to do the other side.

                                        #796543
                                        Diogenes
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                                          @diogenes

                                          ..those drill racks are everywhere today..

                                          #796550
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb

                                            That is the old style, the new ones have more holes for more toys drills😁

                                            #796956
                                            JasonB
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                                              @jasonb

                                              Like the crosshead the eccentric strap on the original was an iron casting so I also cut mine from the same material. Starting with a slice off the end of a suitable block that was machined to the overall width and thickness, then cut in two and the sawn edges machined. I then tapped two holes in the larger half and drilled two clearance size holes in the other, after which they were screwed together and bored to the size of a suitably sized plug.

                                              So that I could get in better with the milling cutters for the following ops I milled away the waste to leave the lugs either side. And also tapped the hole for the eccentric rod.

                                              Suitably clamped to a bit of bar so that it could be held securely it was over to the CNC to continue the machining. My usual methods of an adaptive toolpath to start this time with a 2.5mm dia cutter and then a scallop with a 3mm ball nosed one.

                                              Back to the manual mill and the other side was rounded, some corners knocked off with needle files and that completed the eccentric. The clevis and fork are fairly straightforward forward machining as was bending the eccentric rod.

                                              That just about wrapped up the parts except for a couple of pivot pins and just over 40 assorted fillister headed screws in M1.6, M2.5 and M3 as the video of te horiginal mentioned that the whole engine could be stripped with just a screwdriver.

                                               

                                              #797556
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                I decided not to go with my usual light colours on this one but don’t worry I’ve not bought any dark green or maroon paint!

                                                As the old original engine that I based mine on had quite a nice patina I decided to see how close to that I could get and am quite pleased with it. The colours are actually a little bit darker than they have come out in the photos. There are a couple it parts where the paint could have done with a little more blending out but on the whole it is the sort of look I was after.

                                                Runs reasonably well too, when I test ran it before painting it was wanting to levitate a bit at high speed which is why I have it running for quite a while in the video as I was expecting it to start moving about but seems my final tweaking of timing smoothed things out.

                                                #797573
                                                Diogenes
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                                                  @diogenes

                                                  That looks great, I did wonder what would make you go to the trouble of making all the screws, now I see that it wouldn’t be the same without them – turned out really well.

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