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  • #280324
    Dave Cee
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      @davecee80929

      grinder brake wheelWhat kind of tool or method would be best to make a radius on something like this please?

      Thanks

       

       

      Edited By Dave Cee on 26/01/2017 15:02:06

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      #18376
      Dave Cee
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        @davecee80929
        #280328
        mechman48
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          @mechman48

          Aren't you already creating a radius on the plate with the grinding wheel dia.? If I've got the wrong end of your question then you could use a boring head set up on the mill with the cutter set to the required radius, or even a fly cutter, also maybe a rota broach if you can borrow one of the correct diameter.

          ​George.

          #280329
          Jeff Dayman
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            @jeffdayman43397

            a) mark it out accurately and saw / grind/ file to the middle of the marked line. To mark out, pointed dividers set to radius with a vernier or digital caliper will be quite accurate. locate one point of dividers in a centre punch divot and scribe your line. To help see the line better, colour your plate with permanent marker or marking out fluid or engineers' blue prior to scribing. Also, when approaching the line in final filing, use 10X optical magnifier of some kind.

            b) send a DXF file for it to your local wire edm house, arrange money transfer, and wait for the postman

            Good luck JD

            #280330
            Dave Cee
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              @davecee80929

              Whoops sorry people.

              I meant the brake wheel on the end of the grinder.

              I don't have a mill as yet. Have a good lathe though.

              #280334
              John Haine
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                @johnhaine32865

                You could try a form tool but sounds hard work.

                I have tackled this sort of job by creating a spreadsheet of feeds to form a semi-circular arc from the circle equation and used the handwheels and a lashed up DRO using a digital caliper for the longitudinal axis. That works fine – gives you a stepped approximation to the curve that you file to a smooth shape afterwards.  I can give you some further information on doing this if you want.

                Nowadays I'd just give the problem to my CNC…

                Edited By John Haine on 26/01/2017 16:00:06

                #280337
                pgk pgk
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                  @pgkpgk17461

                  If the radius matches a standard woodworking TCT router ball bearing bit you could do both sides then finish with files..

                  10mins in here :

                  #280340
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    As John H says work out a few co ordinates at regular intervals which will give you the basic shape then blend further by eye and finish with a file.

                    This shape

                    use these co-ordinates

                    #280353
                    Dave Cee
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                      @davecee80929

                      As a complete beginner I think I'm out of my depth on this one for now

                      Thanks for the replies guys will do some more research.

                      Dave.

                      #280364
                      pgk pgk
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                        @pgkpgk17461

                        It really isn't that difficult. I cut a profile that method on one of my first projects..(and I still don't know what I'm doing most of the time). No cad software so I drew it out on a scabby bit of graph paper and worked out the depth and length of cuts from that. Yeah, a lot easier with a DRO t keep track of the numbers but more than doable without. You can see i crossed each out as i got to it:

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                        #280372
                        Dennis D
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                          @dennisd

                          Have a look at this **LINK**

                          its for a ball end but looks like it could be modified to make the radius on the handle.

                          You say you dont have a mill but if you have a drill press you might be able to drill a tapered hole or hold the taper bit in the chuck/collet on the lathe and clamp the workpiece to the toolpost.

                          Edited By Dennis D on 26/01/2017 18:06:02

                          #280401
                          Nick Hulme
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                            @nickhulme30114

                            Instead of calculating co-ordinates just use a fixed template (use your tailstock to mount it, it can be a drawing on card!) and a wire bent pointer from the tool-holder,

                            – Nick

                            #280434
                            Tim Stevens
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                              @timstevens64731

                              One of the difficulties with questions like this is depends on working out what is meant. In this case, even when we are directed to the part referred to as 'this' we find a part with a radius all round the outside, and radii inside the outer edge and outside the inner one. So which radius needs to be created? This lack of precision can be baffling, especially to any beginners, non-english speakers, etc.

                              My advice is to stand back from your question before you post it, and think how it might be interpreted. Add a few ounces* of clarity and you might just get several hundredweight* more sense in the responses.

                              *And for beginners and non-English speakers these are old measures of weight – you might think 'spoonfuls and buckets'.

                              Cheers, Tim

                              #280440
                              Dave Cee
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                                @davecee80929

                                This is part of an email that Gary from eccentric engineering kindly sent me.

                                The brake wheel is just a large diameter aluminium disc cut from a piece of bar, I rounded the circumference on it with a radius form tool.

                                The rest of making it etc I am comfortable with doing.

                                I googled radius form tool but lots of different things came up.

                                Cheers

                                Dave.

                                #280441
                                Roderick Jenkins
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                                  @roderickjenkins93242

                                  As the actual radius is largely cosmetic, I'd form the curves by hand with a graver and my GHT hand turning rest.

                                  Cheers,

                                  Rod

                                  #280445
                                  Hacksaw
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                                    @hacksaw

                                    I've never seen a brake wheel before . What is it for ?

                                    #280448
                                    Anonymous

                                      It allows you to brake the grinding wheel, and break your wrist, all at the same time?

                                      Andrew

                                      #280451
                                      Dave Cee
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                                        @davecee80929
                                        Posted by Andrew Johnston on 26/01/2017 22:14:52:

                                        It allows you to brake the grinding wheel, and break your wrist, all at the same time?

                                        Andrew

                                        Not if you put your hand underneath so it was trailing surely ?

                                        #280466
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133

                                          Dave,

                                          Although many of them are spoked [and therefore, potentially, even more risky], you might consider salvaging a hand-wheel from a sewing machine.

                                          MichaelG.

                                          #280468
                                          Hopper
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                                            @hopper

                                            Easiest way for a beginner to get the job done with limited machinery might be to set the aluminium disc up in the lathe, probably mounted on a rough mandrel made from a bolt and nut, then by setting the top slide to progressively different angles, go around and machine a series of small flats on the OD approximating the shape you want. Start by setting the topslide to 45 degrees and make a large chamfer across half the OD surface, then move the top slide around to 30 degrees and make another smaller chamfer, then 15 degrees and repeat. Then move the topslide around to the the other side of the job and repeat teh process. Once you have a nice series of flats approximating the radius you want, you can finish the job off with a file while the job is spinning. It will help to make a rough radius gauge by drawing up and cutting out a piece of cardboard or plastic ice cream container etc etc just to make a reference to work to.

                                            #280478
                                            Tony Pratt 1
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                                              @tonypratt1

                                              Going slightly off on a tangent, why would you want a brake wheel on a grinder, what's wrong with letting it run down when not under power?

                                              Tony

                                              #280480
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                This is what the guy from eccentric means by a form tool, it is a piece of metal thet is ground or cut to the negative of teh shape you want to form. If small they can be ground from an HSS toolbit, if large as in this case then better to use gauge plate also known as ground glat stock.

                                                To do a half round drill or bore a hole in your gauge plate, saw inhalf across the centre line of teh hole, use a dremel to put relief on teh underside of teh cutting edge then harden and temper.

                                                As your rounded edge is quite wide and the job of a large dia you would probably be better off making the tool a quater circle and then when one side is done reverse the work in the lathe and do the other side. Still going to be quite a wide cut so you will need a reasonably sized lathe.

                                                If you are not happy grinding a tool then I think RDG do radius forming tool bits ready ground or as suggested above a rounding over router cutter can be used.

                                                You probably don't really need to have as rounded an edge as the one in the photo, just turn it like a disk flywheel and round off the corners to say 3mm radius so you don't rip up your hands anymore than needed.

                                                J

                                                #280485
                                                John Haine
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                                                  @johnhaine32865
                                                  Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 27/01/2017 07:28:04:

                                                  Going slightly off on a tangent, why would you want a brake wheel on a grinder, what's wrong with letting it run down when not under power?

                                                  Tony

                                                  With a system like the Acute grinder there's quite a lot of tool adjustments to do as you sharpen, e.g. Going from one tooth of a cutter to the next. A bit dodgy doing this when the wheel is rotating, but on my Elu grinder it takes easily 2 minutes to come to a stop after switching off. So nice to be able to brake the wheel quickly.

                                                  Using a form tool of any width on large diameter aluminium would be quite an adventure, and this is a one off non critical job. I think the suggestion of using a number of chamfer cuts using the top slide to approximate the curve with straight lines, then filing to a smooth curve, is probably the quickest and easiest.

                                                  #280560
                                                  Dave Cee
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                                                    @davecee80929
                                                    Posted by John Haine on 27/01/2017 08:22:43:

                                                    Using a form tool of any width on large diameter aluminium would be quite an adventure, and this is a one off non critical job. I think the suggestion of using a number of chamfer cuts using the top slide to approximate the curve with straight lines, then filing to a smooth curve, is probably the quickest and easiest.

                                                    Going with this I think.

                                                    Thanks for all the replies

                                                    Dave.

                                                    #280691
                                                    John Reese
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                                                      @johnreese12848
                                                      Posted by Roderick Jenkins on 26/01/2017 21:44:15:

                                                      As the actual radius is largely cosmetic, I'd form the curves by hand with a graver and my GHT hand turning rest.

                                                      Cheers,

                                                      Rod

                                                      Yes!

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