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  • #263641
    fishy-steve
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      @fishy-steve

      I've recently notice that RDG have an extensive range of gear cutters for sale on their website.

      Does anybody have any first hand experience with them? ( the cutters not RDG)

      Steve.

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      fishy-steve
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        @fishy-steve
        #263643
        mark smith 20
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          @marksmith20

          Thats where i bought mine from in the thread `another rotary table question`. They seem ok quality from my `almost zero experience` but the hole seems a touch loose on my arbor despite both supposedly being 1". Cant remember whether its my arbor or the cutter bore that`s slightly off.

          #263645
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            I've used them to cut a couple of sets of timing gears for IC engines, seem to do the job.

            #263648
            Brian Wood
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              @brianwood45127

              I recently bought a standard 16 DP 1 inch bore cutter (maker HBM) from them to cut some inserted steel teeth in a 70 tooth change wheel.

              ​It fitted my arbour without shake and ran dead true, the whole cutter doing it's job.

              I have had examples of Chinese cutters that run off centre from the bore with an orbital action so that roughly half the cutter teeth actually do any cutting. The shape of the wheel teeth generated on the job is still correct, but there is a distinctly unfair bias on parts of the cutter as a result.

              ​Being hardened HSS I'm not sure if any correction can be made

              ​Brian

              #263649
              Tony Pratt 1
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                @tonypratt1

                Seemed ok from my experience, did the job, if you are unhappy with the quality when you receive them you can return.

                Tony

                #263658
                fishy-steve
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                  @fishy-steve

                  Thanks all for replying. I want to make some change gears for the lathe and I've been watching the auction site for a while but the correct DP and PA never seem to come up.

                  I'll order the required cutters on Monday.

                  Thanks again,

                  Steve.

                  #263674
                  Anonymous

                    I bought some 18DP RDG involute cutters some years ago when I first started making gears. As I recall they were ok, although the resultant gears had quite a lot of backlash. At the time I was just pleased to have made some gears without fouling up.

                    More recently I have bought four involute cutters from RDG to experiment with making helical gears and internal gears. I never used the 10DP cutter, but all the others were a poor (rattling) fit on two different 1" arbors. The 6DP cutter was quite eccentric and by the sound of it was only cutting on 2 or 3 teeth. I had to reduce my feedrate from 4 thou per tooth to nearer 1.6 thou per tooth to compensate. Both of the 14DP cutters were all over the place. When running there was a very visible eccentricity and a side to side wobble. If it was obvious visually I suspect they were many thou out. I tried a slitting saw on one of the arbors, and as far as I could see it was fine, so it wasn't the arbor at fault.

                    To make it even stranger one of the 14DP cutters resulted in a gear where the tooth was noticably too narrow, as measured with a gear vernier, despite not cutting as deep as theoretically correct. However, on the other gear, despite the cutter wobbling all over the place, the tooth width seemed spot on. crook

                    The cutters were relatively cheap and have served their purpose as far as I'm concerned, but I don't think I'd use them for real gears on a project. Having said that they'll probably be fine for change gears where you can play with the centre to centre distances. Alternatively you can always experiment and tweak the depth of cut to suit.

                    Andrew

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                    not done it yet
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                      @notdoneityet

                      What range of tooth count? It soon becomes more economical to buy a complete set from China. I am guessing RDG just buy in cheaply from China and then seriously hike the price. I recently bought a 16DP set from China, but have yet to use them, so cannot commentvon the quality. As far as I see it, careful cutting, well cooled, and cutting in not too hard a material will help them last a lifetime.

                      I found prices (and descriptions) from suppliers was not all it could be. Many pics were clearly of the same origin but with widely varied prices (for the same thing?).

                      At least RDG is UK based, so any complaints should be sorted easily.

                      #263700
                      John Stevenson 1
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                        @johnstevenson1

                        RDG's cutters come from India.

                        One problem with the Chinese cutters is that it's hard to get 14.5 PA as they seem to concentrate on the 20 degree PA ones

                        #263707
                        Hopper
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                          @hopper

                          I just used an RDG 32DP 14.5PA cutter to make a 60T steel gear for a dividing head I'm making and it worked just fine. Seemed to me to be a good quality cutter with no problems. I couldn't find that particular cutter anywhere else.

                          #264739
                          Howard Lewis
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                            @howardlewis46836

                            Next day delivery from RDG, when I bought a 1.5 Mod cutter to cut a new 13T gear after a calamity with my lathe. With a length of 16mm Silver Steel, it worked out a lot cheaper than buying genuine spare, and, is probably stronger than the original.

                            The cutter worked OK, (for a different reason had to cut four gears) and the end result feels better than the original, so no qualms about using them again when needed.

                            Howard

                            Edited By Howard Lewis on 04/11/2016 16:16:36

                            #264750
                            Bernard Wright
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                              @bernardwright25932

                              cutting wormgear teeth.jpg

                              This is an Involute Gear Cutter from RDG, I'm using it on a shopmade arbour and didn't notice any eccentricity, maybe that was the reason..blush

                              The material being machined was En24T with coolant, worked extremely well, the wormbox gear is for my Son's Bantam.

                              Bernard

                              PS there's a few more photos of this in my album….

                              Edited By Bernard Wright on 04/11/2016 18:13:44

                              #264778
                              fishy-steve
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                                @fishy-steve

                                My cutter turned up yesterday. I haven't had time to mount it yet. It's marked HBM.

                                My lathe came with a brand new HBM chuck on it and so far it's performed faultlessly. So hopefully the cutter will be the same.

                                I will update when I've actually tried it.

                                Thanks all.

                                Steve.

                                #264794
                                RICHARD GREEN 2
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                                  @richardgreen2

                                  I used RDG cutters to cut all the spur gears on my 6" Burrell traction engine, 6 DP, in both cast iron and steel gears, ………………..No problems at all,

                                  I would definitely use RDG cutters again.

                                  Richard.

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                                  #280645
                                  fishy-steve
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                                    @fishy-steve

                                    Update.

                                    Used the cutter I purchased from RDG. Very pleased with it. It was indeed manufactured by HBM and I will be buying more cutters from RDG.

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                                    #280650
                                    Emgee
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                                      @emgee

                                      Richard Green 2

                                      Have you got power on Z axis, if not that's a lot of handle turning !!!!

                                      Emgee

                                      #280651
                                      Brian Oldford
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                                        @brianoldford70365

                                        If you're making a large range of gears of the same DP sn't there a break point where its cheaper to use a hob?

                                        #280656
                                        Anonymous
                                          Posted by Emgee on 27/01/2017 19:26:47:

                                          Have you got power on Z axis, if not that's a lot of handle turning !!!!

                                          Dunno about Richard, but a serious amount of handle w**king in my case; six gears times 72 teeth per gear, and 24 turns of the handle per tooth:

                                          final drive gear cutting.jpg

                                          Andrew

                                          #280658
                                          fishy-steve
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                                            @fishy-steve

                                            Brian,

                                            All the gears I require can be cut with a number 2 and 3 cutter. That's £35. No idea what a 18DP 14.5PA hob would cost?

                                            Steve.

                                            Edited By fishy-steve on 27/01/2017 19:56:08

                                            #280782
                                            RICHARD GREEN 2
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                                              @richardgreen2

                                              Hello Emgee,

                                              On the Tos mill which I cut the final drive gear I have power feeds and rapids in all directions, saves a lot of handle winding.

                                              Richard

                                              #319124
                                              brian NYE
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                                                @briannye52349

                                                I am building a 2" A7 fowler traction engine and I am looking for some gear cutters to purchase or borrow I live near Tiverton Devon

                                                14 1/2 degree PA . 6DP No 3 & No 7 gear cutter

                                                141/2 degree PA . 8 DP No 3 & No7 gear cutter

                                                141/2 degree PA . 10 DP No 4 & No6 & No7 gear cutter

                                                #319127
                                                JasonB
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                                                  @jasonb

                                                  Just be aware that if you get MJ to cut any of the gears they will be 20deg pa

                                                  J

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