Bang good might well tell you (eventually) that their ‘grade 0’ means it doesn’t have one.🙂

It means nothing if they corrode in next to no time, or scratch easily, or are ‘not quite’ square, or etc.🙂

You pays your money and you will get what you pays for. VAT (and collection before delivery) will possibly only be another £25 – if you are lucky – or unlucky, depending on how you look at it.

If the goods are actually carp, they will likely offer you a small cash discount – but you will still be leftbwith carp in a box.

But go ahead, lets read how they compare with a decent set – as regards accuracy, tolerance, and longevity.

I’d rather you take the risk than me.🙂

Edited By not done it yet on 02/03/2021 08:04:23

I have bought various bits [milling cutters, indexable tooling etc] from Bangood & most have been okish but I would NOT buy slip gauges from them as I don't believe they would be 'as specified', just my opinion as someone who been in the engineering game for a long time.

Tony

Just to clarify, VAT is not collectable by sellers outside the EU, so the likelyhood is, you will not pay VAT when the goods enter the UK via China post. Despite the lead times shown for delivery, in my experience 7 – 10 days is usually the case.

A note of caution for those buying from EU sources, check you are not paying VAT twice, i.e lets say goods bought from Germany, the price quoted would have VAT of 19% added, if you are a buyer in the UK you SHOULD pay the pre German VAT price with UK 20% vat added so should only cost 1% more.

Buying goods over £139 is another ballgame all together as no VAT should be paid at supplier end but would be collected together with inport duty etc + handling fee, when goods enter UK.

I think you will have to take the risk and buy one to find out!

With regard to the accuracy of the slip gauges, I've no idea how much they cost to make today. When Mr Johansson first cracked how to make them in 1896 the process was labour intensive. Grinding to size and confirming dimensional accuracy were both slow, skilled, manual processes and making gauges was expensive.

In the 1920's the UK National Physical Laboratory developed another way of making them, and no doubt other industrial nations tackled the problem too. Slip gauges got cheaper but because of the need to assure accuracy using manual methods, they were still expensive.

Today automated high-precision grinding is commonplace. Conceivably slip gauges could be mass-produced rather cheaply, not least because accuracy can be achieved directly by laser controlled machines. Or the seller could be faking them by gluing old Coke cans together!

My guess is the precision grinding is more likely than the latter, but they might not truly be Grade 0, and having them checked would cost more than the set! Does it matter? I suspect most home workshops don't need Slip Gauges which means you can buy a battered inaccurate second-hand set or an iffy new set and still be happy! In my workshop I work to about (about 0.02mm / 1 thou), which isn't demanding by tool-room standards. As my home-workshop 'gauges' only have to be slightly better than normal workshop tooling, there's no particular reason for me to go high-end.

Buying online is always a gamble, and confirming you can get your money back in the event it goes wrong is the name of the game, not fretting about 'quality'. Amazon seem to be best at refunds, ebay are mostly OK, but other overseas online sellers might not be so helpful! That said, lots of people buy successfully from Banggood, although not everyone.

Bad time to ask about Customs Duty & VAT! Three things muddy the water :

• We left the EU in January and the new border introduced new controls and extra costs. Difficult to judge exactly what's going on, but there's certain amount of turbulance at the moment, for various reasons. For example, goods destined for the UK were often consigned in an EU bound container to, say Rotterdam, and distributed freely across the EU from there. Now the UK element has to be transshipped over a border, with additional paperwork and duties etc. Likely to be a while before such Supply Chain difficulties are fixed, and importer/exporters streamline the process.
• Covid restrictions are also causing large-scale supply difficulties.
• Coincidentally in January, the UK changed the way VAT is collected on imports and altered the rules. It seems that Amazon and ebay are collecting tax correctly, but it's not clear that other sellers are! At the end of the day the customer is responsible for paying VAT, and if it's not been pre-paid by the seller on his behalf, tax might be collected on delivery plus collections charges, which can be painful. I say might because I don't believe the authorities are fully enforcing the change yet, and certainly aren't checking every package.

So its all about risk. In the worst case a dud set of goods arrive with a demand for Customs Duty, VAT and hefty handling charges. In practice most people get what they wanted most of the time and aren't whacked for more money. My daughter buys lots of stuff from abroad and although she had to cough last week that was unusual. She is careful not to buy high-value items.

Another problem at the moment is stuff not being available at all. My nephew is building a computer for me at the moment and about a third of the components ordered have resulted in 'Delayed Order Notifications'. It's not just one supplier – most of his favourite suppliers are 'Out of Stock' to some degree or other. No idea what's causing it, or if shortages are peculiar to imported computer parts.

Dave

I have had no problems with new 123 blocks, V blocks etc from China via ArcEuro 1 or 2 tenths of a thou error here and there but more than good enough for general machining in my humble workshop. I would not be as confident though if I was chasing tenths on a surface grinder.

I did consider a set of slips from China but felt much more comfortable some years ago spending my loot on a nice set of second hand 1950's? Coventry Matrix imperial inspection grade slips from Ebay for about £60 if memory serves. For a number of years I have been keeping my eyes open for a set of (cheap) cages to go with them but no luck so far.

As for delivery times it will be interesting to see how long the magnetic V blocks ordered last week from India take to arrive.

Rik (Slip fan)

It would help if you could send a message to the supplier asking them to confirm that the gauges are to Grade 0 – or any other international quality standard. If they say 'Yes, all dead accurate, wonderful quality' (etc) then you have a stronger case to get your money back if the are not that good when they arrive. If you buy through e-bay or using Paypall they will act on your behalf to reclaim what you paid. I have found that the best way to ensure this is to say 'Goods have not arrived – but they did send some rubbish that I do not need' (or words to that effect). This can avoid the insistence on you sending the duff stuff back and then having to prove that it was sent and delivered.

Hope this helps

Tim

I have used Banggood for a few items and the quality has been pretty good overall

Also with some items you can get tariff insurance so if you get hit for vat you can claim it back

That will not cover administration or handling fees

My last ordet was a MS3-22MM M12 Morse Taper Milling Collet Chuck Holder CNC Cutter Arbor £45.23

Shipping insurance: £0.90
Tariff Insurance: £1.35
Shipping Fee: £0.00
Total: £47.48

Last thing I bought from China was <£10, the courier demanded VAT and an £11 handling fee, no pay no deliver. You might get away with it on China Post, but the Royal Mail might then might demand the vat etc

Banggood aren't collecting the VAT yet, though AliExpress started doing so in January, interestingly I could see no way of identifying on the AliExpress package that VAT had been paid, makes me wonder if they are just keeping the cash.