eBAY Charges

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

I've just sold an item on eBay for £45.

Fees: listing + FVF = £5.80 (1 free photo, no buy it now, no reserve…)

Paypal = 1.87

Total = £7.87

eBay now charge 10% FVF on the P&P! have these guys no morals?

End result – private selling costs 17% of sale price.

[RobboParticipant @robbo]

Morals? don't be silly!

The excuse for charges on p&p was to stop people charging exorbitant p&p.

[Kevin BennettParticipant @kevinbennett25223]

also if you sell an item that is heavy and will cost say £12.50 to post and the buyer wants to pick up and you say yes and then they go and pay in PayPal by mistake

if you do not send the invoice you still have to pay the post fee this sucks, as this happened to me last week

the only was I got the fees back was to agree with the buyer to cancel the transaction this is the only way to get the full fees back and then sell it out of eBay

so caution please

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Not certain but possibly the fees on ebay UK are higher than in other countries, they do like clobbering the Brits.

Emgee

[Kevin BennettParticipant @kevinbennett25223]

Posted by Kevin Bennett on 21/11/2013 21:06:15:

also if you sell an item that is heavy and will cost say £12.50 to post and the buyer wants to pick up and you say yes and then they go and pay in PayPal by mistake

if you do not send the invoice you still have to pay the post fee this sucks, as this happened to me last week

the only was I got the fees back was to agree with the buyer to cancel the transaction this is the only way to get the full fees back and then sell it out of eBay

so caution please

it is 10% selling fee and 10% on the total post fee

[Steamer1915Participant @steamer1915]

Hello Steve,

I made a similar point about eBay on another thread. It really is becoming a joke now.

**LINK**

Steve.

[Mike ClarkeParticipant @mikeclarke87958]

Interesting one this.

I loathe eBay with a passion. The fees are high, but I think really the amount you get for your item (due to the selling power of eBay) does cancel out the rip-off fees.

I remember when I was a teen the only way to sell things was on local notice boards and in the local paper which charged by the word. You didn't get a good price. On the flip side I have sold things on eBay for more than I paid for them!

An almost perfect alternative. I love to buy/sell on Home Workshop (great feel as though you're amongst chums), but there's things on there creeping in I don't like. Firstly traders pretending to be private sellers – you know who you are "Mr. I'm forced to sell the mill because of my bad back" Seen you sell at least 10 since, plus many other items. And others who refuse to budge from their inflated prices derived from eBay, ignoring the fees they are saving.

[speelwerkParticipant @speelwerk]

If you think eBay charges are high then go to any auction house, as seller they normaly charge you 15% and the buyer is in for 30% or so of the hammer price. That is excluding any p&p which can be also shocking in the UK, Last year I received quotes for the same article ranging from 120 to 490 Pounds ex.VAT. Niko.

[_Paul_Participant @_paul_]

Does anyone here sell on Ebid? if so whats your experiences

(apologies to the OP for the OT post)

[Gone AwayParticipant @goneaway]

Posted by _Paul_ on 22/11/2013 01:01:02:

(apologies to the OP for the OT post)

Don't get it – why apologise? It's meaningless when you could so easily start your own thread.

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

Ebay is a pain to deal with imho. If anyone on here has ever paid for something they have won and not received it, because of a crooked seller, complaining is a long drawn out process with zero satisfaction at the end of it.

[wendy jacksonParticipant @wendyjackson]

Its not just the fees, its the number of scammers.i sold a push bike on ebay.the bike was collection only.the chap picked it up, then started a claim saying that the bike was not new.ebay just returned the chaps money out of my account.so I had no bike, and no money.i wonder how many times he has played that game.michael

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

Just wait – won't be long before the publishers of ME cotton on to this !

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Bogstandard2 on 22/11/2013 11:59:53:

I have had two failed deliveries from Ebay sellers in the last two weeks, and one from Amazon.

Either my local postman are a bunch of thieves (which I very much doubt), or the sellers are rip off merchants. Most don't even reply to your claims of non delivery, and I am sure if it was only for a small amount, most would give up. I don't, and pursue all claims until I get satisfaction.

It isn't the private adds that cause the trouble, but shops or dealers, it seems either they can't cope, or don't understand English.

Hi John,

I can't understand your problem with non delivered Ebay items, just open a dispute with Paypal and get your money back. I have a fair number of transactions with Ebay, I don't like the charges but we all should know them before we start and you do reach a massive audience.

Tony

[tickerParticipant @ticker]

Posted by Bogstandard2 on 22/11/2013 11:59:53:

Either my local postman are a bunch of thieves (which I very much doubt), or the sellers are rip off merchants.

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I sell on eBay and in the past 3 weeks 4 items have failed to arrive, all were posted 1st class and had return labels on them. I doubt any of these items will find there way back to me, they rarely do, so from my point of view somebody is nicking them but I don't think its the customer.

If a packet doesnt go through the letter box and the customer is out, the postman should leave a card, but do they heck, if they run out or not bothered to take any with them then thats that. You go down to the sorting office and its sorry Sir we always leave a card and without a tracking number we cannot help you.

There was a time when to be a postman you had to sign the official secrets act, I'm sure these days you just have to be a crook to work for them.

Ebay are charging about 17% of the total sale which is roughly what Amazon charges, plus you probably have Paypal fees on top as I do, but it all goes to a good 'cause' because I don't think any of these pay their taxes in the UK.

Its just ordinary hard working folk that are honest in this country, the rest are just out to rip us off.

Thats got that off my chest, so I can now get back to my shed and make some swarf or sawdust.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I haven't yet checked the Terms and Conditions, but this looks potentially useful:

 

We’re always looking for ways to give you extra peace of mind and make you feel more secure when you shop online. That’s why you can now choose Pay After Delivery at checkout.

 

Received in  PayPal eMail, today.

 

MichaelG.

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 22/11/2013 16:16:38

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 22/11/2013 16:17:22

[RJWParticipant @rjw]

For my good stuff, I no longer use eBay and prefer my local auction room, it's a well run Very ethical organisation with internet presence and they invariably get better prices across the board than I've ever achieved on eBay!
OK, the charges are higher at around 25%, but for the miniscule difference in cost, it's well worth it!
I've no faffing around preparing listings and photo's, no packing or posting and no angst dealing with the increasing numbers of Rsole buyers trying it on with feedback extortion or claims of non delivery – even though I Only use signed for shipping, but it's surprising how many of those buggers back off when you advise them that you'll log a theft report with their local constabulary with their details!

Recent auction room prices have been: Clarke CMD10 mini mill, £260, 1ph Fobco Star, £150, Powerbase router, £85, 1ph Steel Chop Saw £85, Silver pocket watches £85 – £250, French Wall clocks £120 – £250 etc etc, prices I've never achieved in the 10 years I've been using eBay, in fact the Fobco and CMD10 were both listed on eBay And here with nary a bite!

Gumtree (owned by eBay and free to use) is also a good alternative as is 'Preloved', I sold my Unimat SL on there for £250 a few months ago when an eBay listing with a start price of £150 never even got a bite!
If anything I'm sick to death of snipe bidding on eBay, it's nothing more than legalised theft in most cases, it isn't done in a High St auction room or Police auctions, so why eBay still allows it considering all the opinion against it from sellers is beyond me, it also probably accounts for the sky high start prices which is commonplace with private sellers now and I can't blame them, they're probably as sick of being ripped off as I am!

For quite a while now I've deliberately ended auctions in the final hours to a high bidder on items with a large number of watchers, it really pisses the goofers off too, to which I reply (after blocking them) that the only people I value on my auctions are bidders who take the time and trouble to sit at their computers pressing the button, not snipers who are probably down the pub hoping to get lucky, I'm on the site to dispose of my stuff these days to save my successors doing it, not to make a profit!

All I can say for sure is that the numbers of users now NARU'd is increasing, the variety of goods on offer is a shadow of what it used to be, and shill bidding since anonymous bidder profiling began is rife!

eBay might have been the cock of the dung heap at one time, but it's now sinking in it and choking on it's own crap, and when it eventually does, I for one won't feel sorry for it for the abuse I've had at the hands of their (mis)management!!

John.

Edited By RJW on 22/11/2013 16:18:54

[SpringbokParticipant @springbok]

Yes there is a lot of scammers out there on Fleabayt,he fareastern people seemed to have moved into this. sent an item to a buyer, reported me for not delivering and he wanted to have a replacement, sent that created because he had nor got that wanted another one, but had done a signed for for the second one. stitched him up.
Ebay could not care less as far as I can make out. it just want the UK dosh sod us….

Bob

[Ian PParticipant @ianp]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 22/11/2013 16:13:45:

I haven't yet checked the Terms and Conditions, but this looks potentially useful:

 

We’re always looking for ways to give you extra peace of mind and make you feel more secure when you shop online. That’s why you can now choose Pay After Delivery at checkout.

 

Received in PayPal eMail, today.

 

MichaelG.

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 22/11/2013 16:16:38

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 22/11/2013 16:17:22

I have bought items on eBay and been offered (and used) that service/feature.

I discovered later that regardless of the funds sitting in my PayPal account the money for those purchases was taken out of my regular bank account.

Not a large amount and not a big deal, but when I got the notification that the payments was to be taken I checked in PayPals T&Cs and it categorically states that PayPal funds will be used before charging my Bank or CC. Somewhere in the small print it might explains it but its easier for me not to use the P-A-D option.

Ian P

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

I've been using PAD and its quite neat, but don't forget if sailing close to o/d limit! Great for buy now, pay on payday

The charges on delivery are because a lot of sellers were grossly abusing the system by charging exhorbitant postage and selling goods cheap. The previous system (of limiting postal charges on some items) could be pretty unfair.

Neil

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Well I've not SOLD anything on ebay but I've been buying there for 11 years and in all that time I've only had one transaction. where the seller reneged. I raised it with ebay and got an immediate refund. I've made around 650 purchases of which maybe half a dozen were a bit disappointing – these are more than offset by some great bargains. OK those great bargains, where an exciting last minute bid succeeded, are really not to be had now but I still get quite a few bits and pieces via ebay . It does seem nowadays that it's largely traders selling.

I guess I really ought to offload some "stuff" but Steve's experience is not encouraging.

Norman

[Kevin BennettParticipant @kevinbennett25223]

I agree that some sellers do rip people off on the postage and these should dealt with the advances in computer tech and fillers in programs eBay can target the abusers of the system

BUT they do not want to as they need to make more money from the poor

I have to purchase box's bubble wrap packing chips & tape I always add a very small amount to cover this but it is pence NOT pounds also the post office have not helped as they have screwed this up as well with extra cost's

[Gone AwayParticipant @goneaway]

Posted by Bogstandard2 on 22/11/2013 11:59:53:

…….. Most don't even reply to your claims of non delivery, and I am sure if it was only for a small amount, most would give up.

Some sellers, particularly in China with free delivery, have got smarter than this. When the thing hasn't shown up after maybe a month and you let them know about it, they are the very epitome of helpful. They wring their hands and beg you not to leave negative feedback – they will send you a replacement immediately. This is followed by a message confirming shipment of the replacement.

So you sit back, thinking the seller is a decent guy/gal and wait another month. Nothing shows up so you contact the seller again. Nothing – no matter what you do you can't get any response.

So you figure you'll at least get the satisfaction of leaving negative feedback …. but no – eBay has a 60-day limit on leaving feedback and you've gone over that. The whole pantomime from the seller was an act to delay things past the 60-day limit. (I don't know what the limit is for lodging a Paypal claim. If that's 60 days, he has you there too).

This has happened to me once ($5 item) although it is not uncommon according to the eBay forums. If it happens again, I'll wait till the seller sends me confirmation of shipping the replacement then leave negative/neutral feedback explaining the situation and stating that the feedback will be modified if/when the replacement shows up.

Having said that, my experience with eBay as a buyer over 12 years or more and over 300 purchases has been overwhelmingly good, including many purchases from Chinese vendors with free shipping.

[Gone AwayParticipant @goneaway]

Posted by OMG on 22/11/2013 18:23:23:

Posted by Bogstandard2 on 22/11/2013 11:59:53:

…….. Most don't even reply to your claims of non delivery, and I am sure if it was only for a small amount, most would give up.

Some sellers, particularly in China with free delivery, have got smarter than this. When the thing hasn't shown up after maybe a month and you let them know about it, they are the very epitome of helpful. They wring their hands and beg you not to leave negative feedback – they will send you a replacement immediately. This is followed by a message confirming shipment of the replacement.

So you sit back, thinking the seller is a decent guy/gal and wait another month. Nothing shows up so you contact the seller again. Nothing – no matter what you do you can't get any response.

So you figure you'll at least get the satisfaction of leaving negative feedback …. but no – eBay has a 60-day limit on leaving feedback and you've gone over that. The whole pantomime from the seller was an act to delay things past the 60-day limit. (I don't know what the limit is for lodging a Paypal claim. If that's 60 days, he has you there too).

This has happened to me once ($5 item) although it is not uncommon according to the eBay forums. If it happens again, I'll wait till the seller sends me confirmation of shipping the replacement then leave negative/neutral feedback explaining the situation and stating that the feedback will be modified if/when the replacement shows up (if I can squeeze all that into the pitiful space that eBay allows).

Having said that, my experience with eBay as a buyer over 12 years or more and over 300 purchases has been overwhelmingly good, including many purchases from Chinese vendors with free shipping.

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