Cleaning Lathe after use

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

I'm getting worried about how much cast iron dust gets into the slide mechanism of my ML7, I've got a little guard that was made to keep the worst off the bed but its still worrying how much gets into places to cause abrasive mayhem.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how best to either keep it at bay or routinely clean everything after use? I don't have an airline, I've been flushing everything with duck oil or similar.

Suggestions welcome; its a hole in my knowledge I would love to sort.

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Do you have felt bed wipers?

Neil

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

No, it's just the way my trousers sit.

I don't, I wasn't aware such a thing existed but that sounds like a good idea, thanks.

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

As far as the carriage slides are concerned using the oil gun on the top and rear sides will wash the dust out from under it. I suspect most of the debris will be on the bed ways. Airlines are just going to blow in all the places you don't want. No real proof for this but I suspect that most of the small particles are carbon. The felt wiper should keep much of it out anyhow. Maybe the biggest problems come from chilled spots and castings with a lot of castin sand embedded in them. You should really be dealing with both of these on the bench before you get as far as the lathe,

I would suggest that castings these days are better quality and have been cleaned up so don't pose so many issues.

Interested in others comments.

regards Martin

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

Maybe I should invest in a better oil gun. The one I have isn't that effective. Also I don't oil it that way every time, I think I'll start.

[Thor 🇳🇴Participant @thor]

Hi Jon,

I try to cover the bedways when turning cast iron, and my lathe carriage have felt wipers. As Martin says, don't use an airline, instead I use an old vacuum cleaner and oil well after turning cast iron.

Thor

[Brian WoodParticipant @brianwood45127]

Hello Jon,

Use a brush to sweep the worst of the dust and swarf away, the size I use is called a Bannister Brush. I often follow that up with a soft rag to fetch the fine dust that the brush can't shift fully Blowing the bed off with an airline is not a good idea as it can force fine particles into gaps where it gets up to mischief

Do fit a felt wiper to the front of the saddle and make a similar mounting to fit one at the front end of the tailstock

Regards

Brian

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Or:-

Keep the whole thing as bone-dry as you can whilst machining cast iron, then use a good vacuum cleaner with a crevice nozzle in one hand and a clean, dry paintbrush in the other. Only oil-up once you've got rid of everything you can get at.

[Mike CrossfieldParticipant @mikecrossfield92481]

Jon

Do you have swarf trays fitted? They help a lot in keeping debris off the bedways and out of the slides. My own are shown below. I also have a wiper on the front of the tailstock.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Off topic but that is a really good photo Mike. Nice lighting and clear image.

[David TParticipant @davidt96864]

Mike, that's very tidy. Are you using the mounting hole for the travelling steady? Sorry but I may just have to copy that.

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

On a similar line but not quite as good looking a way protector for my WM250 lathe:

This is just a bit of flexible plastic (DPC membrane) clamped between two lengths of aluminium flat. Uses the two travelling steady mounting holes for fixing. I keep meaning to replace the hex bolts with knurled headed thumbscrews but never seem to get a "Round Tuit". Being flexible is quite handy as if working close to the headstock it just bends up out of the way. Easy to vacuum the swarf off the top.

John

[thaiguzziParticipant @thaiguzzi]

All good info above. Main point is airlines and machine tool cleaning do not mix.

[Fowlers FuryParticipant @fowlersfury]

"I'm getting worried about how much cast iron dust gets into the slide mechanism of my ML7, "

Buy some rare-earth magnets, put it in small plastic bag and attach bag safely near or on cutting tool – even on exit end of a CI cylinder if using a between-centres boring bar.
You'll collect a good %age of the CI dust which can then be dumped by taking magnets out of the plastic bag.

I bought a pack of these and super-glued 2 rows of 5 into drilled holes in a piece of brass = flat outer surface..
**LINK**

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Positioning the hose of a vacuum cleaner near the tool whilst machining will pull a lot of it away before it even hits the bed. Any covering on the bed should be paper, not rags in case it gets caught up in the rotating bits

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Posted by Fowlers Fury on 08/08/2018 15:22:21:

"I'm getting worried about how much cast iron dust gets into the slide mechanism of my ML7, "

Buy some rare-earth magnets, put it in small plastic bag and attach bag safely near or on cutting tool – even on exit end of a CI cylinder if using a between-centres boring bar.
You'll collect a good %age of the CI dust which can then be dumped by taking magnets out of the plastic bag.

I bought a pack of these and super-glued 2 rows of 5 into drilled holes in a piece of brass = flat outer surface..
**LINK**

​Ditto… have a couple of these sat on my machine permanently.

George.

[I.M. OUTAHEREParticipant @i-m-outahere]

I have used Nappa leather used to cover the bed , it was held in place with magnets and tends to drape down in the bed vally forming a pocket and scrunches up well – i got the idea from Stefan gotteswinter off his youtube channel i never had much luck with paper – always seemed to tear where you don't want it to .. You can also stuff a piece of foam in the chuck bore to keep the chips out of the inside of the chuck bore – a nerf ball works well for this . If you don't mind the noise the vacuum cleaner trick works well but as i have a wall mounted unit walking over to switch it on/ off is a pia ! I do have an old houshold unit around here somewhere that i may press into service next time i machine some cast iron .

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

You are quite right to try to avoid having cast iron swarf on the bed ways.

A cruder version of what Fowlers Fury is suggesting is to place a strong magnet beneath where the swarf is going to fall, and then to drape newspaper over the bed, so that it won't get gathered up by the chuck. (Thin plastic sheet would do, as long as long as the swarf will not melt it and burn through).

When you have finished, or have so much that you need to unload it; shake/brush/push the swarf into a pile (most will be over the magnet anyway), then lift off the paper, without spilling the swarf, and tip it into a suitable receptacle.

This should keep most of it off the lathe bed.

Howard

[John RuddParticipant @johnrudd16576]

After removing most of the swarf with a brush and vacuum cleaner,I prefer to use an oil based fluid for my machines….be it WD40/paraffin or whatever….Wiping down after cleaning is bound to leave a least a thin film that ought to afford some protection against the dreaded brown stuff..

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

A good shop vac is one of those essential tools IMO.

To clean up after turning cast iron I use a Numatic shop vac followed by washing down with brake cleaner in a pressure pot. The pots are 16 quid and 4 gallons of brake cleaner about £36 on offer. You can see it wash the finest particles away. you could use a trigger gun in a pinch but they don't last 5 minutes with brake cleaner in them.

After that re-lube with way oil.

[Richard S2Participant @richards2]

+ 1 for using magnets . Collects most of it and if careful, you can remove the magnet from the plastic bag and the dust falls into your preferred receptacle-

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

Some really excellent ideas and solutions; I'll be trying out some of these in the future. I've actually got some Hard drive magnets sat on the bench, I'll pop those into some poly bags.

Thanks for the interesting replies.

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

I use magnets for collecting swarf in the tray of my hobber. I t stops th fine stuff from clogging up the oil pump thought I've just bought some paint filters to use when hobbing cast iron.

The only big drawback from using magnets is that they tend to magnetise all your tools, which in turn causes the swarf to stick to them and that gets very annoying. I have to have de-magnetising sessions every now and again.

[Paul FallertParticipant @paulfallert28101]

I prefer dry ways when cutting cast iron. Paper covered with tinfoil (Aluminium) works in some areas, but only if the saddle pushes it along the bed both to and from the headstock. Actually the dust will still go everywhere, such as between the saddle and the tailstock, leadscrew, top and crosslide. And op's nose and lungs, etc.

No oil. Oil plus iron powder equals a grinding paste.

If it is going to be a longish session of iron, then rub dry powdered graphite on the ways with a fresh cotton waste.

A vacuum nozzle located under the end of the lathe tool cutting edge will capture some of the iron chips. The next line of defense is a atrong magnet in a plastic bag, but sadly, I have found that strong magnets produce strongly magnetized iron chips, which then attach themselves to every metal surface and are even more difficult to remove.

Needless to say it, but I avoid iron when possible. Old-timers tell me they just wiped dry and replaced their equipment as needed. Not an option for most of us.

Paul

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