Buying a new Lathe….Asian?

[Oily RagParticipant @oilyrag]

Jeff,

Obviously I bow to your local knowledge in the case of machinery sales, being that I live the other side of the pond. I assumed that someone had purchased the South Bend name as it is iconic and denotes good design, build and longevity – amongst my lathes I have a 1940 SB 9" model 'A' which was a 14th birthday present to me from my father – It came from a scrapyard and cost him the sum of 30/- (£1.50 ~ about $1.20 at current conversion rates)! It was salvaged from a LSU mobile workshop (LSU = Light Support Unit – to the Royal Tank Regiment). A wonderful lathe that still gives good service – after a bed regrind and apron and tailstock refurb. I do like the look of the SB 1007 though I just wonder how close a clone it is to the Super 11?

[LathejackParticipant @lathejack]

It's a few years since I looked at the Southbend Heavy 10 on Grizzly's website, but I remember that it is quite a close copy of the earlier Emco Super 11, before Emco put the curved covers on some of their lathes.

The Southbend Heavy 10 has just about the same headstock, screwcutting gearbox, tailstock, apron, saddle, topslide and crosslide with three longitudinal tee slots. The tailstock now has a camlock lever and although the bed casting looks the same as that on the Emco the guidways are different and it is now machined with triple vee ways, with two vee ways guiding the saddle which is a very nice detail as used on original Southbend lathes.

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[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

The topic of lathe pruchase in Canada of course comes up quite often on the HSM forum so I assume you have done your homework and read everything there from teh last few years.

[Matt Stevens 1Participant @mattstevens1]

Hi All,

The South Bend Heavy 10 looks a superb machine, but it is also close to $10,000 CAD! I think that is way outside what i was looking to pay…..especially since the Precision Matthews (favourite so far) is closer to $3000-3500CAD

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

Bandersnatch is quite correct, Grizzly do ship to Canada now. I enquired with them online today about a couple of items but after considering US to CDN dollar exchange, shipping costs, brokerage and duty fees, and Canadian 13% sales tax (yes, even on imported goods) costs are just too high so I will be doing without, for now. The "extras" mentioned above are almost twice the list value of the goods. I may be able to find these items eventually locally or bear down and make my own from scratch, or modify something from KBC Tools Canada.

As always, wise to shop a bit, and consider the TOTAL cost when buying in Canada from the US. There is a lot of cost tacked on. The whole "brokerage" lark is a gold mine. Two minutes of forms work on a computer or on paper by a "customs broker" – $50 to $75 Canadian please. A disgusting no value added ripoff at the border.

Thanks to Bandersnatch for the change of state notice re Grizzly.

Oily Rag – Glad to hear you are happy with your 9" model "A" SB. I agree 100% with you about design, build, and longevity of these lathes, they definitely stand up over time. As said, I really like mine.

Cheers All.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Jeff Dayman on 05/10/2020 16:43:43:

The whole "brokerage" lark is a gold mine. Two minutes of forms work on a computer or on paper by a "customs broker" – $50 to $75 Canadian please. A disgusting no value added ripoff at the border.

 

Moreover, if you bring in goods in person, or have them sent via Canada Post, they will rarely be assessed duty/taxes on values under $150 and almost never under $100 since it's uneconomic to do so.

Courier services and shipping companies on the other hand always assess and charge duty and taxes no matter what the value and charge you for them along with the brokerage charges as you point out. I have to take it on faith that these duty/taxes actually are passed along to Canada-Customs.

Edited By Bandersnatch on 05/10/2020 18:58:53

[clogsParticipant @clogs]

I used to import a lot materials from the US……

but in the end just gave up becaus of the greedy people in suits…..

funny how stuff can come from China without any duties to be paid……

I once wanted some expensive items from Israel…… a few thousand pounds worth….

to get them in France where I lived would have trebled the cost….

I was advised to get the paper work done in Greece……still in the EU…..

all told expences and duties paid where just a few hundred Euro's…..!!!!!

I am not sure but have been told that items from the US if delivered to Belgium are duty free….?????

Does anyone remember (1966'ish`) when you wanted something from outside Britain you had to get special forms and make payment to the UK bank and answer all kinds of questions…..

I wanted a workshop manual for a Harley Duo-Glide……might as well been asking for gold……hahaha…

……….

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by clogs on 05/10/2020 20:09:15:

I am not sure but have been told that items from the US if delivered to Belgium are duty free….?????

That might well be true given the number of American cars imported from Belgium into the UK back in the 80's

[Toni NazarParticipant @toninazar22142]

I would suggest you look for a site on YouTube called 'blondie hacks'

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