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    daniel johnston
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      wherecan you get this in suitable sizes

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      daniel johnston
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        @danieljohnston78944

        Hello
        Im having sime problems locating CHROME-VANADIUM STEEL as stated on my plans for ecentrics and couplings may I ask if there is an equivalent or what other people use
        Many thanks

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        David Littlewood
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          @davidlittlewood51847

          I have used EN24T with success for highly-stressed parts. Not sure what its composition is, but it has a UTS many times that of mild steel, but still turns fairly easily. It is readily available from various of our usual retail sources; if they don't have it in stock they will certainly get it for you. I can't remember offhand where I got mine from, but it would have been Mallard Metals or Noggin End Metals.

          David

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          David Jupp
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            Chrome Vanadium doesn't really tell us (or you) what the steel is – just 2 of the alloying elements it contains. I have seen those words on a lot of spanners over the years – though I have no idea why spanner manufacturers should go to the expense of adding the letters to the forging dies.

            Assuming there are no particular chemical issues relating to the environment of use, select on strength of the steel for the required duty (on BS steels the 'condition' letter tells you the strength). Don't worry too much about composition of the steel.

            Where there will be sliding or rubbing against another steel component, ensure a strength (hardness) difference between parts to reduce scuffing/galling.

            For safety critical items (pressure vessels, lifting equipment – possibly couplings) the toughness of the steel is also important in avoiding fatigue failures. Toughness generally reduces as strength increases, so stronger is not always better – a balance is required.

            BTW EN24 is a Nickel Chrome Molybdenum steel having about 0.4% Carbon (also contains Silicon and Manganese) .

            #125342
            MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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              @michaelwilliams41215

              Hi Daniel ,

              Slight alarm bells ringing over this – there are several ' Chrome Vanadium ' steels and they are mostly special purpose , require heat treatment and are generally more difficult to work than more common steels .

              Bearing in mind that many published designs are prepared by people who have no technical knowledge whatever it is at least possible that specifying Chrome Vanadium steel was just a clever sounding random choice or a total mistake .

              A steel that contains small amounts of Chrome and Vanadium among its ingredients but is readilly workable is gauge plate . This is suitable for many model engineering purposes and perhaps this is what was intended .

              You don't tell us exactly what from are making but there are not many model engine parts that cannot be made from gauge plate or steels like EN8 and EN24 as David suggests .

              MikeW

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              daniel johnston
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                @danieljohnston78944

                Firstly many thanks for such prompt replies this is much appreciated it would seem agreed that metal details are poor as I have actually triple checked and just chrome vanadium steel so as for the details it is for a 5″ hunslet 0-6-0 tank engine the parts it states are the; combination leaver, union link, radius rod, return crank,eccentric rod. But with the differences in grades id rather be sure than waste money or end up with catastrophic failure thanks again
                Daniel

                #125369
                duncan webster 1
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                  For those components I'd be amazed if bog standard mild steel wasn't strong enough. It worked on my 5"g locos, and hundreds of others. If you want something a bit stronger then EN8, but I can't see that it's necessary

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                  MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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                    @michaelwilliams41215

                    Hi Duncan ,

                    No argument that ordinary mild steel is quite ok for most model locomotive ' steel ' components . Bits of something better are needed just sometimes for things like expansion links and axles .

                    Regards ,

                    MikeW

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                    Sub Mandrel
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                      @submandrel

                      My guess is all those parts could be from one piece of gauge plate. Easy to harden & temper.

                      Neil

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