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  • #540391
    daveb
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      @daveb17630

      It is for a Sieg small milling machine.

      It already has a stepper motor fitted to the X axis.

      Not sure what it is, has 8 wires and label says (amongst other things) 3.1A.

      I have seen adverts for stepper motor controllers (some have pots and switches) not sure if these are the same as drivers or do I need both?

      I'm sure this is old hat to many but whilst I'm reasonably proficient in electrical and electronic systems, I've never had much interest in CNC.

      Any advice most appreciated

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      #33822
      daveb
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        @daveb17630

        I need stop/start and variable speed via a control panel.

        #540399
        Martin Connelly
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          @martinconnelly55370

          You will need a power supply cost about £15 and something with a description like Reversible Stepper Motor Speed Regulator with a cost of about £20. You should be able to find wiring details for stepper motors on line that match yours, they have pretty standard wiring colours.

          Martin C

          #540400
          Daggers
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            @daggers

            Looking at something similar, found this youtube, might be of interest to you.

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            Edited By Daggers on 18/04/2021 17:16:50

            #540404
            Daggers
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              @daggers

              Apologies, cant for the life of me post embedded video, old age.

              #540405
              Daggers
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                @daggers

                One more try.

                #540407
                John Haine
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                  @johnhaine32865

                  Dave, if it has 8 wires it is probably a 2-phase hybrid stepper with 2 sets of windings. Each phase can use 2 windings, connected in series or parallel for different combinations of maximum speed or torque. The 3.1A is the maximum current, not that that is very relevant as long as you keep below it.

                  My album shows my mill power feed. To drive the motor you will need a controller to generate pulses, and a driver to actually apply current to the motor. I use an Arduino for the first, using an App on my phone as the user interface, connected by Bluetooth. Most of the functionality comes from free CNC software called GRBL, widely used to run 3D printers but also CNC mills and routers. Not using much of its capability for a power feed but easier than rolling your own. The Arduino has a CNC "shield" that carries the actual stepper drivers – it can support up to 4 drivers for 3 axes. There is also a 24V/5V PSU. So I run the stepper from 24V at 1 amp via the driver which gives plenty of power for my VMB X axis.

                  Since taking those pics I have added an extra driver so I now have a 2-axis controller, which actually I did so I could run a coil winding machine. But it also means that I can run a dividing head controlled by the same Arduino rather than a separate control box. This is convenient and also means that things like helical milling become possible.

                  Happy to give more information if this might be of interest.

                  #540410
                  Andy Carlson
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                    @andycarlson18141

                    You will probably need something beyond a CNC shield for a 3.1A stepper, The CNC shield takes plug-in driver modules of various kinds (e.g. A4988, DRV8825). They do the same job but their current capability varies.I think 2A is about the max though – the form factor probably precludes anything more.

                    To source 3.1A you probably need a separate driver which will likely have screw terminals rather than little square pins.

                    Using a lower current driver won't fry anything – the driver will limit the current but it may not provide enough stepper torque to do the job,

                    Sorry I'm not au fait with the higher current drivers because my smaller machine is OK with the little ones but hopefully someone else will come along to advise,

                    Control-wise you indeed could go for a microcontroller running GRBL but I don't think GRBL can support much of a control panel because input/output pins on the Arduino Uno are mostly needed to talk to the steppers. Sorry I'm not sure what hobbyist controllers and firmware can do this but maybe someone else can suggest something.

                    EDIT: typo

                    Edited By Andy Carlson on 18/04/2021 18:16:15

                    #540415
                    John Haine
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                      @johnhaine32865

                      They don't need 3.1 amps, that is the maximum! My X axis motor is rated at something like that but generates plenty of torque at 1 amp. I use DRV8825 drivers on the CNC shield, these are rated at 1.5 amps/phase at up to 45 V, or 2.2 A with more cooling. See **LINK** My converted Myford dividing head also runs at 1A and again has plenty of torque.

                      Correct, GRBL doesn't have a control panel, you just send it g-code via a serial link. It does have loads of other useful functions though such as managing acceleration, soft limits, and coordinated motion if you want to say do spiral milling – and it's free! As I said, for controlling it I use my phone with an app called grbl controller which is also free and has a control panel:

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                      Basically I do most "power feeding" just using the jog functions.

                      #540430
                      Alan Wood 4
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                        @alanwood4

                        I fitted steppers to my Myford VMB mill just to give me motorised adjustable drive. It is over the top for what you need with just one axis but the circuitry would simplify dramatically. I could run a CNC milled board if it is of interest.

                        **LINK**

                        Alan

                        #540453
                        Bazyle
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                          @bazyle

                          We covered this simple stepper drive requirement only a few weeks ago when I think someone asked about a driver board which looks very like the driver board featured featured in the video Daggers linked. I think that thread had referred to a video by one of the well known bloggers like Myfordboy or Boubleboost.

                          #540465
                          Howi
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                            @howi

                            A cheap and effective power supply can be had by using a laptop power supply, there are plenty that give 19v at 3.2 amps, perfect for steppers.

                            #540477
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                              @mgnbuk

                              They don't need 3.1 amps, that is the maximum!

                              It will need 3.1 amps to develope it's rated holding torque, though – you can run below this if you can manage with the reduced torque that will result.

                              I have had a play with a couple of the cheap Ebay drives (can't seem to get Ebay up at the moment to confirm which ) variously described as "TB6600" after a Toshibe drive ic. Some are TB6600, some are not !

                              Most listings give the absolute maximum ratings, as opposed to recommended absolute operating conditions. Both worked, but both had resonance issues at various speeds using either a 24v or 36v power supply (depending upon drive rating) – the one that has a TB6600 (or clone – same ic package) performs better. A more expensive Stepper Online digital drive is much quieter in operation and does not appear to have the resonance problems of the cheapies – as ever, you get what you pay for.

                              "Testing" here being with hand held motors not driving any load & the input pulses being generated by an Ebay step/direction generator.

                              Nigel B.

                              #540492
                              John Haine
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                                @johnhaine32865

                                All I can give is my experience of using the DRV8825 driver chips on the Pololu carriers at 24 V and 1 amp, and they drive the X axis and A axis on my VMB with plenty or torque and no sign of resonance. On the CNC mill I'm using the big DM542 drives but the X and A axis are also operating at 1 amp.

                                #543703
                                daveb
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                                  @daveb17630

                                  Sorry for the delay in getting back to this.

                                  Many thanks everyone, just what I needed.

                                  daveb

                                  #543715
                                  mechman48
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                                    @mechman48

                                    FWIW.. Have a look at 'Ades workshop' he has done the same on his new mill to drive the X,Y,& Z axis using stepper motors. Elektronikery is way beyond me but he made it look so simple ..

                                    (3) ADES WORKSHOP – YouTube

                                    George.

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