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21 September 2016 at 11:18 #257078
SillyOldDuffer
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I've just finished routine maintenance on my Windows 10 machines this morning and see that a new major update from Microsoft is imminent. It is the "Windows 10 Anniversary Edition".

Some negative comments about this upgrade have already appeared on the web. I think it is too early to tell if these are down to small numbers of unlucky early adopters or if we are in for a repeat of the issues that made upgrading to Windows 10 obnoxious for some.

If anyone has experience of Windows 10 Anniversary Edition, did the upgrade go well and did you spot anything in the new version to worry about?

Thanks,

Dave
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21 September 2016 at 11:18 #24750
SillyOldDuffer
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21 September 2016 at 11:39 #257082
Journeyman
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I am on version 1607 build 10.0.14393.187 which is the latest released on 13th Sept 2016. I have not come across any problems (yet), apart from it appears to ignore the metered connection setting for downloading updates. My setup is a bit non-standard though as I am running it on an Apple iMac.

Cheers John

Edited By Journeyman on 21/09/2016 11:42:10
21 September 2016 at 12:10 #257094
David Jupp
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@davidjupp51506
Main difference you'll notice is Cortana switches on if it was off before – not sure if you can turn Cortana completely off in the anniversary edition.

Update was fairly slow, but without any drama. Haven't had any significant problems so far.
21 September 2016 at 12:40 #257097
IanT
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@iant
Yes, long update last night – just as I wanted to send a quick email…

Only difference noticed so far is that (as David notes) Cortana has re-appeared. I will take time later to fully exorcise her ( again – just in case my earlier settings have been tampered with). I don't need Cortana to remind me it's our wedding anniversary – my wife already has done that…

Regards,

IanT
21 September 2016 at 13:12 #257102
SillyOldDuffer
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Now I'm confused if I've already got the Anniversary Edition or not!

Like Journeyman I'm on version 1607 build 10.0.14393.187 but I have no record in the update log of installing KB3176934. Possibly the log is cleared by installing KB3176934. Nor I have I been able to find anything on the web (yet) that confirms the actual version number of the "Anniversary Edition", though there are several sources that imply that it's 1607.

A quick read of Microsoft's features page for the Anniversary Edition reveals that I can't easily tell from the features whether I have that particular version or not. Most of the changes are for hardware I don't have or remove features I don't have anyway.

Part of my confusion is that Windows isn't my primary system. As such it may not get used for a week or two, which is why I deliberately switch it on a couple of times each month. If the machines have been off for several days I'll be showered with updates, which happened today. The strange thing is I only became aware of Windows 10 Anniversary edition when asked this morning if I wanted to update to it. I didn't agree but perhaps it happened anyway.

Good news – if it is the Anniversary Edition I've got installed it hasn't turned Cortana back on and nothing obvious has broken.

I shall have to do more digging when I have the time.

Ho hum,

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 21/09/2016 13:13:01
21 September 2016 at 13:27 #257105
Journeyman
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If you look ** Here ** it gives all the details of updates.

John
21 September 2016 at 13:42 #257106
SillyOldDuffer
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Posted by Journeyman on 21/09/2016 13:27:12:

If you look ** Here ** it gives all the details of updates.

John

Many thanks John. Now why on earth didn't my search find that page?

Cheers,

Dave
21 September 2016 at 22:52 #257214
Enough!
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@enough
The only thing I heard about the WAE update (and it is hearsay, I haven't checked) is that if you went through one of the procedures listed on the internet to protect your privacy settings, you should run through it again as many are reset (not just Cortana).
22 September 2016 at 09:26 #257271
SillyOldDuffer
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Posted by Bandersnatch on 21/09/2016 22:52:19:

The only thing I heard about the WAE update (and it is hearsay, I haven't checked) is that if you went through one of the procedures listed on the internet to protect your privacy settings, you should run through it again as many are reset (not just Cortana).

This is what I'm most worried about. I've pencilled in Sunday afternoon to do the checks.

Ta,

Dave
22 September 2016 at 09:36 #257275
Michael Gilligan
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The only thing I've noticed is that I can't download the updates for my Win7 machines: Presumably because Microsoft's servers are too busy doing important Win10 things.

MichaelG.
22 September 2016 at 10:00 #257283
Roger Provins 2
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On the BBC this morning….

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37431343

Edited By Roger Provins 2 on 22/09/2016 10:01:38
22 September 2016 at 10:03 #257285
Clive Hartland
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Hot news, Which Magazine condemns Win 10 as intrusive and downloading/uploading too much owner/user information.

They cite thousands of Which readers having horrendous problems with compatibility of hardware etc.

Will it never end? Beaten to it, posted whlle I was typing.

Clive

Edited By Clive Hartland on 22/09/2016 10:04:10
22 September 2016 at 10:52 #257294
JA
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Posted by David Jupp on 21/09/2016 12:10:57:

Update was fairly slow, but without any drama. Haven't had any significant problems so far.

Far, far too slow. Made and drank two cups of coffee in the time taken.

JA
22 September 2016 at 11:33 #257307
Farmboy
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Updated my laptop last night. Not many changes to my settings, but I did have to disable or uninstall a few things I don't want. Then it crashed on restarting and had to do another reboot. Haven't worked out what happened there but I'll check the system log later.

On the whole I've been happy with Windows 10 over the past year although I turn off almost all its 'features' and use third party software that I'm used to.
23 September 2016 at 21:03 #257548
Russell Eberhardt
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Updated W10 on my laptop over the last two days, total time for downloading, updating, rebooting numerous times was about 30 hours.

Having read numerous reports online of problems with the update destroying the bootloader for dual booting I had previously downloaded a boot repair disk and made a full image backup of my hard disk.

Apart from being annoyed that it took so long and I was unable to use my laptop for that time, I was pleasantly surprised to find that everything worked pretty much as before after the update and I was still able to choose between Windows and Linux on startup.

One other surprise is that there is now a Linux Bash Shell on Windows!

Now my big complaint; why on earth are updates so difficult and invasive on Windows? Under Linux I can choose to do updates when I like and can still carry on using the machine while the updates take place in the background. No need to reboot and none of this "Please wait while updates are installed" or "Don't turn off your computer" etc.

Russell
23 September 2016 at 22:04 #257554
martin perman 1
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I have the 1607 update waiting for me to download under setting, after reading this I will tell it to update it.

Martin P
23 September 2016 at 22:28 #257557
Neil Wyatt
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Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 23/09/2016 21:03:22:

Now my big complaint; why on earth are updates so difficult and invasive on Windows? Under Linux I can choose to do updates when I like and can still carry on using the machine while the updates take place in the background. No need to reboot and none of this "Please wait while updates are installed" or "Don't turn off your computer" etc.

Windows updates take place in the background. They just need a reboot so that the new files can swap over with the old ones.

My understanding is that Linux is exactly the same,. it just doesn't nag you to do the reboot, it assumes you will do this periodically. Many windows owners often use hibernate so we can leave files open, gone are the days when a daily reboot was essential for memory management, and a machine can run for weeks without a hard reboot.

Neil
23 September 2016 at 22:28 #257558
Enough!
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Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 23/09/2016 21:03:22:

Now my big complaint; why on earth are updates so difficult and invasive on Windows? Under Linux I can choose to do updates when I like and can still carry on using the machine while the updates take place in the background. No need to reboot and none of this "Please wait while updates are installed" or "Don't turn off your computer" etc.

With regular Windows updates you can carry on using the machine while the updates are being installed. You then need a reboot because many of the changed files are locked while Windows is running. However you don't need to reboot immediately – you can do it when convenient. The "Please wait …" and "Don't turn off …. " messages come when Windows has been unloaded or while (actually before) booting so that the affected files can be replaced while they are unlocked.

However, the WAE is not what would normally be called an update. It's actually a complete replacement of the OS with a new one which is why it takes much longer to download and install (and fairly obviously, you can't use the machine while that's happening). That said, there are wildly varying accounts of how long it took for different people. All a bit meaningless without knowing the proportion of time spent downloading vs installing and the speed of connections, computer speed etc. The process seems particularly slow on laptops.

For comparison, I did the upgrade on my relatively fast desktop at a time when the local internet infrastructure is reported to be relatively quiet, or at least off-peak, and it took something under an hour for the whole lot. A fair portion of that time (maybe half) was the download.
23 September 2016 at 23:08 #257565
peter walton 1
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Ran the upgrade this afternoon all appeared to go well but for one thing – MS Network Monitor now no longer works.

Said to try version 3.4 but that refuses to load!

Apart from that loss seen no real difference yet – apart from log on screen has changed.

peter
24 September 2016 at 09:31 #257593
Russell Eberhardt
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/09/2016 22:28:17:

Windows updates take place in the background. They just need a reboot so that the new files can swap over with the old ones.

My understanding is that Linux is exactly the same,. it just doesn't nag you to do the reboot, it assumes you will do this periodically. Many windows owners often use hibernate so we can leave files open, gone are the days when a daily reboot was essential for memory management, and a machine can run for weeks without a hard reboot.

Windows updates are downloaded in the background but are installed partly when shutting down and partly on boot.

Linux (or strictly GNU) updates are downloaded and installed in the background. I rarely switch my laptop off when running Linux, just go into sleep mode. Of course if I am using a particular application such as Firefox while the updates take place that application remains at the old version until I close that application and restart it. Still no need for a reboot.

I rarely use Windows except for a few applications not available for Linux such as the updating program for my GPS so inevitably when I do there are several updates that get downloaded. No problem except when I want to switch back to Linux when I get the "Do not switch off your computer message" and have to wait and of course when I next want to use Windows I have to endure the long wait while it completes the installation.

I update my Linux installation when I want to not when some remote company wants.

Russell.
24 September 2016 at 09:56 #257596
Rik Shaw
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@rikshaw
After a session in the workshop yesterday I came back to the house for a brew and found that Anniversary Edition had installed itself on my laptop while I had been absent. Since then I have only noticed one thing that misbehaved and it was so:

My browser by default is Chrome as I am not keen on Edge but following the upgrade yesterday I checked out the operation of software / utilities and found that on trying to use Edge the machine froze. I had to reboot to get things moving again. Since then Edge seems to work OK.

Its to early yet to say whether anything else has been affected but I'll record it here if I find anything.

Machine : Acer V17 Nitro
24 September 2016 at 10:20 #257599
mechman48
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@mechman48
My desktop / laptop have the latest version 1607, Sept 2016 & all seems well; had to ensure that Cortana was disabled as it had re-enabled itself, so far so good.

George.
24 September 2016 at 11:15 #257610
SillyOldDuffer
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/09/2016 22:28:17:

Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 23/09/2016 21:03:22:

Now my big complaint; why on earth are updates so difficult and invasive on Windows? Under Linux I can choose to do updates when I like and can still carry on using the machine while the updates take place in the background. No need to reboot and none of this "Please wait while updates are installed" or "Don't turn off your computer" etc.

Windows updates take place in the background. They just need a reboot so that the new files can swap over with the old ones.

My understanding is that Linux is exactly the same,. it just doesn't nag you to do the reboot, it assumes you will do this periodically. Many windows owners often use hibernate so we can leave files open, gone are the days when a daily reboot was essential for memory management, and a machine can run for weeks without a hard reboot.

Neil

"My understanding is that Linux is exactly the same".

Not so, this is one area where UNIX systems are genuinely superior to the Windows family. The distinction is blurred these days but there's a technical difference. UNIX started with a multi-user multi-tasking architecture whereas Windows was single-user multi-tasking. (Not because Microsoft were stupid, rather because they had to deliver a consumer product within the constraints of early micro-processors.)

Taking a multi-user system down to apply an update is highly undesirable and in consequence the upgrade process on multi-user systems is somewhat complicated. In comparison. upgrading is much simpler to do if unrestricted reboots are allowed, and this is how Windows SOHO computing is done.

Large Microsoft installations are unlikely to use the SOHO approach. Instead, a much more sophisticated package management system, possibly 3rd party, will apply changes is a much less intrusive way. But these complicated solutions aren't something you would want to have to manage at home.

Linux (and MAC) users benefit from history by getting more flexible and less intrusive package management. Users get to choose when or if they want to take an upgrade. Most upgrades are applied on the fly and they are much less less likely to require a reboot to take effect.

Of course, the technical sophistication of linux-style software management doesn't count for much if you need to run applications that only work on Microsoft Windows.

Dave
2 October 2016 at 23:03 #258914
KWIL
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@kwil
Win 10 update took 90 minutes on my laptop today, then I had to update my antivirus because MS said it was not compatible with the new Win 10. Did that and had to remove Cortana again and reset a couple of buttons, of course MS had hidden the Cortana controls, but like so much is still there if you know where to find it. Too much change for change sake..

My only wish is that MS would leave all preferences alone and invite me to activate something, if I wanted to! Apart from that nothing seems to have changed adversely.
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