10.5mm counterbore – 3.5mm depth in cast iron with a pillar drill

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10.5mm counterbore – 3.5mm depth in cast iron with a pillar drill

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  • #19803
    Guy Beardsley 1
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      Is this possible?

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      #477985
      Guy Beardsley 1
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        @guybeardsley1

        Hi everyone, I am working on a project and need to produce a 10.5mm counterbore with a depth of 3.5mm in cast iron. Is it possible to use a pillar drill for this instead of a mill? Ideally I know you would use a mill but unfortunately I don’t have a mill and no room for one either. I am going to need to do quite a few of these as this is for a part of a product I am building to sell online.

        thanks for your feedback.

        #478004
        Tim Stevens
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          it depends on how accurate you need the position, the diameters, and the surface finish. If some or all are less critical it is possible to grind the working end of a conventional twist drill – but you will need to be able to do the grinding – or perhaps find a local engineering firm to do it. If I was to have a go, I would first drill a smaller hole in the cast iron as a pilot for the drill – but of course you may have such a hole in the design anyway. This makes the likely accuracy better as you can gring your 10.5mm drill with an extension of the pilot size, and this will help to hold the drill central while cutting.

          The shaping could be done with a lathe, if you soften the drill first – by getting it red hot and leaving it in the ashes to cool slowly. If you start with an old, well used drill bit, there will be much less overhang in the turning and you can hold the bit in a collet on the plain shank. Turn the pilot to a plain round shape – don't worry if there are still traces of the flutes. Then with the drill soft you can file the cutting edges to resemble a milling cutter, making sure that the outer corners remain good and sharp, and really opposite each other. Then heat to redness again, and plunge cutting end first into a large dish of water, stirring it round to maximise the cooling. This will (should) make the cutting end dead hard – and you could try the effect of using it on a sample of your cast iron. As long as the iron is 'grey' – not 'white' and glass-hard because the casting was chilled – this should work. The bottom of the counterbore may not be wonderfully flat, and you will get much better results with a column drill or a mill, than hand held.

          It might help to use another standard drill to start the cuts and take off any skin, then use the counterbore to get the depth.

          Hope this helps. For mass production you might be better with a properly tempered tool – I'm sure there is a posting here which will explain exactly how. Good luck

          Tim

          #478006
          lfoggy
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            @lfoggy

            Hi,

            I think that should be possible if you use a counterbore with a pilot. Like these..

            Will generate a nice flat bottomed counterbore. You are limited to available sizes unless you can grind one up yourself (which is entirely doable as well).

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            #478033
            Guy Beardsley 1
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              @guybeardsley1

              Hi, thanks for the replies. I have found a tool that is suitable and not too expensive. I was more just curious as to wether using it in a pillar drill will be ok. Judging from your responses it sounds like it will be fine? I just wasn’t sure as the tool is probably designed more for a mill with high spindle speed etc

              #478038
              Tim Stevens
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                @timstevens64731

                A column or pillar drill should be fine. Set the speed fairly low. The most important things are to ensure that the tool and the hole are properly in line (or the countersink will be tilted) and the job is held really firm (as the cutting tool may snatch on a corner and fling the part and three of your fingers into next doors garden).

                You can collect the borings and use them to show your children what a magnetic field is like.

                Cheers, Tim

                #478039
                Michael Gilligan
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                  Posted by Guy Beardsley 1 on 06/06/2020 18:07:11:

                  Hi, thanks for the replies. I have found a tool that is suitable and not too expensive. I was more just curious as to wether using it in a pillar drill will be ok. Judging from your responses it sounds like it will be fine? I just wasn’t sure as the tool is probably designed more for a mill with high spindle speed etc

                  .

                  A piloted counterbore should be fine in a pillar drill … to all practical purposes it is just another drilling operation: there are no nasty side-loads to worry about.

                  MichaelG

                  #478041
                  Martin Connelly
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                    @martinconnelly55370

                    One point to be wary of if using a 3 jaw chuck is that some tools have hard shanks and are gripped poorly compared to drills that have soft shanks.

                    Martin C

                    #478045
                    Guy Beardsley 1
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                      @guybeardsley1

                      Great thanks all. Kind of what I expected but thought I should check before buying and breaking the tool, drill and job 😂

                      #478058
                      old mart
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                        @oldmart

                        The other thing is to set your depth stop at just under the required depth and creep up on the final depth. As already mentioned, the lowest speed is best.

                         By the way, I just noticed it was your first post, welcome to the forum.

                        Edited By old mart on 06/06/2020 19:55:55

                        #478143
                        Hopper
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                          @hopper

                          And maybe knock the hard skin off the top of the cast iron with an angle grinder , dremel grinder etc before using your HSS counterbore tool on it.

                          #480767
                          peter smith 5
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                            Counterbores are a pig to sharpen. Just one hard spot can ruin the cutting edge. If you have a solid drilling machine and can hold the work down securely then drill the hole and counterbore using a 2 or 3 flute slot drill milling cutter made from carbide at slow speed. They are designed to produce accurate holes End mills cannot drill holes.

                            binthere and dunit

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