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  • #461478
    Jack M
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      @jackm14742

      Hi all im looking at getting a new lathe i already have 2 warco machines but my first option I'm looking towards to be a chester crusader deluxe at the moment or the warco gh1230

      If anyone has there thoughts on chester as a company and there lathe compared to the warco lathe look very similar i know they are both Chinese lathes i know warco has great after sales as I've dealt with them but i find there sales bit rude and not wanting to make it a better deal or good buy , I've herd chester are not so great on after sales but not sure if that's true now that was couple years ago but there sales people are helpful and polite without pushing you to buy as i find warco blunt not helpful when it comes to sales and advice on new machines

      So if anyone has any info on chester and there lathe especially the crusader deluxe lathe or simlier gear head lathe for use ownership of lathe and dealing with chester too be great

      Thanks

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      #13824
      Jack M
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        @jackm14742
        #461505
        Howard Lewis
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          @howardlewis46836

          Have to say that, based on my small dealings with Chester, have found that Warco are far better on after sales service.

          Howard.

          #461515
          Jack M
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            @jackm14742

            Yes i agree warco after sales warco are very good dont like there sales tho what I'm planning on buying from chester tools will cost me 400 more for same spec machine from warco

            #461538
            Paul Ainsworth
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              @paulainsworth93685

              Chester after sales are awful to say the least. I bought a DB10S last year and promised myself I'd never spend another penny there. Got mill and bandsaw from Warco and had a much better experience.

              #461542
              David George 1
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                @davidgeorge1

                I bought a band saw from Chester and the motor was overheating. I rang the service department on Friday and received a new motor on Monday complete with cable plug and switch. No problem.

                David

                #461555
                geoff adams
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                  @geoffadams14047

                  i have a Chester 20vs milling machine needed a new motor last year ordered no problem delivered next day

                  stripped a drive gear the girl on the phone really dint no what i was talking about sent me the drawings order the new part was delivered in a day found them very helpful and dispatch spares promptly hope this helps

                  Geoff

                  #461564
                  magpie
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                    @magpie

                    I have a Chester lathe and mill. I have had both for about 7 years and no problems. The main man there, who really knew what the job was all about, left about 5 years ago and after sales service went down hill fast. However I have heard that a few new blokes are now helping to improve things. An old friend had a Crusader lathe and had to have a new motor, they sent him one the next day and never asked for the old one to be returned. I hope this helps.

                    Dek.

                    #461566
                    larry phelan 1
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                      @larryphelan1

                      I have had good and bad experiences from Chester, have never dealt with Warco, but I suspect they are all much the same. Seems to be very much the luck of the draw.

                      Reminds me of what a friend of mine said many years ago. He was involved in car sales and said "Any one can sell a car to a customer, but can he sell to him a second time ?" Good question !

                      #461569
                      Bo’sun
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                        @bosun58570

                        My Warco WM240 lathe has a damaged bed due to the fixed steady working loose in transit and wearing a hollow. No problem from Warco replacing the machine. The problem is they are "out of stock". Just when I could do with something to occupy the time.

                        #461581
                        jimmy b
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                          @jimmyb

                          I bought a Crusader 8 years ago, after sales and machine prep crap, lathe its self is fantastic!

                          Jim

                          #461605
                          Jack M
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                            @jackm14742

                            Thanks for your replies seems like you all have mixed thoughts as im having myself and have read elsewhere too, but i have noticed it seems to be chester tools need more spare parts which doesn't sound good but on the other hand I am real i know everyone and company has there problems and there few bad reviews like everyone out there so doesnt put me off as long as the lathe its self is solid and a good workhorse

                            #461606
                            Jack M
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                              @jackm14742
                              Posted by jimmy b on 01/04/2020 17:40:49:

                              I bought a Crusader 8 years ago, after sales and machine prep crap, lathe its self is fantastic!

                              Jim

                              Hi Jim so you would recommend me to buy a crusader myself off your experience as the lathe its self?

                              Over the years have you had many problems with the lathe? Is it a nice solid machine?

                              Thanks

                              #461611
                              jimmy b
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                                @jimmyb

                                Jack,

                                The lathe has been fantastic. I upgraded to VFD variable speed set up last year (which at £600, was expensive, but totally transformed the lathe).

                                Its been reliable and a pleasure to use. I would recommend fully going over it after buying, very very sloppy assy!

                                I have done a lot of minor mods and I'm happy to share the info, drop me a pm if you want more info.

                                Jim

                                #461623
                                Jack M
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                                  @jackm14742
                                  Posted by jimmy b on 01/04/2020 19:56:12:

                                  Jack,

                                  The lathe has been fantastic. I upgraded to VFD variable speed set up last year (which at £600, was expensive, but totally transformed the lathe).

                                  Its been reliable and a pleasure to use. I would recommend fully going over it after buying, very very sloppy assy!

                                  I have done a lot of minor mods and I'm happy to share the info, drop me a pm if you want more info.

                                  Jim

                                  Sent pm Jim but yes any of your mods will be great appreciated for me to use if i decide to get one

                                  #461629
                                  Boiler Bri
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                                    @boilerbri

                                    Hi. I have a Chester crusader de lux. It took me a while to get used to it.
                                    made to a budget and some bits are pretty poor. The chucks are massive. Overcame this by buying blank d4 plates and mounting smaller chucks and collet chucks. Be care full to leave the back plates as long as possible as the lead screw cover prevents you winding the apron up to the new chuck.

                                    I could go on but up until yesterday it’s run everytime I turn it on.

                                    Dro is a bonus and improves your accuracy.

                                    I would go for the Warco if I was to change as there more suited to modelling.

                                    Really miss my 5” model A metric Boxford

                                    Bri

                                    #461630
                                    Henry Brown
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                                      @henrybrown95529

                                      I purchased a GH1322 from Warco a few months ago having considered the Chester equivalent. I didn't find Chester sales particularly helpful where Warco were.

                                      To clinch the deal one way or the other I decided to visit both, I was told I needed to make an appointment to visit Chester in their Midland branch so decided to go to Warco first, a two and three quarter hour trip. Steve who is based in their showroom and covers spares was very helpful, I wanted to look inside the electrics box and at the motor as I was considering a three phase m/c to used with an inverter as they are £650 less than the single phase version.

                                      Due to the large price difference I opted for the Wraco, I didn't bother to make an appointment with Chester. The lathe turned up as promised and after a few days cleaning down and just tidying up the typical Chinese rough edges it was installed with the inverter, bought as a package from Inverterdrive Supermarket, Peter their technical chap was extremely helpful. I had a minor problem with a micro switch, Warco got one to me the next day after a call, but otherwise I'm very happy with it.

                                      Hope that helps.

                                      #461693
                                      Jack M
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                                        @jackm14742
                                        Posted by Boiler Bri on 01/04/2020 20:56:04:

                                        Hi. I have a Chester crusader de lux. It took me a while to get used to it.
                                        made to a budget and some bits are pretty poor. The chucks are massive. Overcame this by buying blank d4 plates and mounting smaller chucks and collet chucks. Be care full to leave the back plates as long as possible as the lead screw cover prevents you winding the apron up to the new chuck.

                                        I could go on but up until yesterday it’s run everytime I turn it on.

                                        Dro is a bonus and improves your accuracy.

                                        I would go for the Warco if I was to change as there more suited to modelling.

                                        Really miss my 5” model A metric Boxford

                                        Bri

                                        Thanks for that info what was the problem with the lathe what caused your problem?

                                        Thanks

                                        #461695
                                        Jack M
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                                          @jackm14742
                                          Posted by Henry Brown on 01/04/2020 20:57:52:

                                          I purchased a GH1322 from Warco a few months ago having considered the Chester equivalent. I didn't find Chester sales particularly helpful where Warco were.

                                          To clinch the deal one way or the other I decided to visit both, I was told I needed to make an appointment to visit Chester in their Midland branch so decided to go to Warco first, a two and three quarter hour trip. Steve who is based in their showroom and covers spares was very helpful, I wanted to look inside the electrics box and at the motor as I was considering a three phase m/c to used with an inverter as they are £650 less than the single phase version.

                                          Due to the large price difference I opted for the Wraco, I didn't bother to make an appointment with Chester. The lathe turned up as promised and after a few days cleaning down and just tidying up the typical Chinese rough edges it was installed with the inverter, bought as a package from Inverterdrive Supermarket, Peter their technical chap was extremely helpful. I had a minor problem with a micro switch, Warco got one to me the next day after a call, but otherwise I'm very happy with it.

                                          Hope that helps.

                                          Hi Henry

                                          See i found chester more helpful on the phone never been to there show room but over the phone helpful didnt try to get me off the phone warco ive been to there show room and spoke over the phone i find the sales bloke Roger i think hes name is rude and blunt never helpful even in show room must be becuse im younger bloke but warco man for technical info is so helpful and nice and on shop floor great too

                                          But I'm not sure if warco machines are any better than chester machines both being made in China or finished any better than one another i know warco is a better run company for sure but as machines im thinking are they really any better than each other being both made to a budget range

                                          Thanks

                                          #461696
                                          Jack M
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                                            @jackm14742

                                            This is my thinking as a machine lathe there self are warco built any better than chester both being Chinese?

                                            Warco is a better run company for sure i know dealt with them but i know everyone has few problems so not bother about company just want a machine that works thats why I'm thinking are warco slightly better built over chester or not or do we just never hear of warco machines problems going wrong becuse they deal with the problem quick is my thinking

                                            Thanks

                                            #461711
                                            larry phelan 1
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                                              @larryphelan1

                                              Magpie,

                                              I think that man you mentioned at Chester may have been John. If so, I agree, he was both courteous and helpful, to a fault and I think a sad loss to Chester when he retired. If he is still around, I wish him well.

                                              There is something wrong when you have to make an appointment to go look at a machine in a place like Chester or Warco or any such supplier, none of them are that big, or is it because of this virus ?

                                              At the end of the day, the Sale is only one part of the deal, it,s the service that really counts and this is where most suppliers need to brush up.

                                              First Sale easy

                                              Repeat Sale maybe not so easy !

                                              #461736
                                              Henry Brown
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                                                @henrybrown95529

                                                But I'm not sure if warco machines are any better than chester machines both being made in China or finished any better than one another i know warco is a better run company for sure but as machines im thinking are they really any better than each other being both made to a budget range.

                                                Jack, I think you'll find if they look the same with similar spec's they will be from the same factory. When I started looking it was clear that models badged by Chester, Warco and indeed Grizzly in the US were the same. The online handbooks confirmed this, the Grizzly handbook being head and shoulders above either of the UK offerings.

                                                Assuming they come from the same factory I think its all down to the best deal, including delivery costs, you can get and after sales service.

                                                There are three Prima Dilna video's about the GH1230 on You Tube you might like to look at if you haven't seen them.

                                                I hope you enjoy what ever model you buy!

                                                #461752
                                                Mark Simpson 1
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                                                  @marksimpson1

                                                  I bought a crusader deluxe 3 or 4 years ago, and it's my only lathe (at the moment ) I've made quite a lot of 6" traction engine bits on it including Crank shaft and turned some big castings, it was bought to replace a tired colchester student which needed a bed grind to do anything longer than a few inches. I looked at a lot of M300's etc. but all in my price range were pretty knackered, if I had 10k that's what I would buy.

                                                  The lathe is pretty well made, and you get a lot for the money, I added an ER40 collet chuck and DRO to the standard stuff. As someone said the chucks (esp 4 jaw) are big but that suits me fine.

                                                  I've just finished by Little samson crankshaft and only got a taper of the than .0005" over about 18" (and it's eccentric to machine) . Good enough for me

                                                  I've also fettled some bits, replaced allen screws with presto ones here and there and generally improved it. But I have used it since day2… it took some effort to get all of the packing grease/oil of it.

                                                  The accessories were pretty crap tbh, The fixed steady was off centre by 20mm and 18mm low. The bed stop was so rough internally the micrometer part could not rotate, but they weren't too hard to fix properly. If I had checked them when I got them I woudl have just sent them back.

                                                  They were pretty poor on communications, the lathe turned up unannounced on the back of a truck one day, no advice note despite quite a lot of asking. One bit was missing, arrived 24 hours later when I asked them for it.

                                                  Get everything you might want with it, check it fits…. my efforts to get soft jaws even 6 months later were fruitless, but they offered 10% off a new chuck with some soft jaws…

                                                  I like the lathe, the whole "customer experience"… not so much

                                                  #461766
                                                  david Sewell 1
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                                                    @davidsewell1

                                                    I have a Chester Coventry to which I have just done a full bearing change.. Not that I had a problem other than the paint coming off inside the gear head case, told that this was common. I did change the motor and electrics to 3 phase with VFD however, this was not needed but more to the fact that I had the items in my workshop. Got to say, 3 phase has made the lathe more smoother.

                                                    Regarding these lathes, if you spend some time setting up and getting to know your machine, it will give a very good results.

                                                    I do come from a machining background and would there is no limits to how much you can spend on a machine. For the home workshop the Chester has been fine. Runs extremely true and does all that I want.

                                                    #461910
                                                    Jack M
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                                                      @jackm14742
                                                      Posted by Henry Brown on 02/04/2020 10:41:18:

                                                      But I'm not sure if warco machines are any better than chester machines both being made in China or finished any better than one another i know warco is a better run company for sure but as machines im thinking are they really any better than each other being both made to a budget range.

                                                      Jack, I think you'll find if they look the same with similar spec's they will be from the same factory. When I started looking it was clear that models badged by Chester, Warco and indeed Grizzly in the US were the same. The online handbooks confirmed this, the Grizzly handbook being head and shoulders above either of the UK offerings.

                                                      Assuming they come from the same factory I think its all down to the best deal, including delivery costs, you can get and after sales service.

                                                      There are three Prima Dilna video's about the GH1230 on You Tube you might like to look at if you haven't seen them.

                                                      I hope you enjoy what ever model you buy!

                                                      Thanks for your reply thats what I'm thinking now myself all look same same specs etc so like you said best deal and price so chester wins that for deal price just there after sales is there only bad point but have had they have got better over the years

                                                      Thanks

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