Boxford max useable Chuck size

[Graham HalsteadParticipant @grahamhalstead79384]

What Chuck can I fit

[Graham HalsteadParticipant @grahamhalstead79384]

Hi all.

I’ve searched this site and it’s probably been covered but can’t find answers to the questions below. Could someone point me to a thread if this has been covered or help with the below questions ?
I want to turn some larger diameter parts 80mm or so in my boxford. The 3 jaw is a non starter and does not have reversible jaws . I do have a 160 independent 4 jaw but that’s a faff to set up all the time. Can anyone recommend the 3 jaw max size ,I think 160mm 3 jaw should be fine with reversible jaws. I’ve been looking on internet shops (cronos, reb tool) found a few blank back plates, but non seem to be the right OD to fit the recess in a new rear face of Chuck, unless the OD can be smaller. I understand you need to machine the centre to fit the Chuck and ensure concentricity. Problem I will then have is the drilling if mounting holes with no pillar drill or mill. So if someone could advise on

Chuck size (height bed to centre of spindle on my machine circa 130mm) I understand the need to clear the jaws when full out.

Best Buy for Chuck and boxford backplate to fit

3 jaw or 4 jaw self centreline?

apologies lots of questions

many thanks

[GavlarParticipant @gavlar]

A 125mm three jaw with external jaws will easily take an 80mm workpiece, the jaws won't even overhang the chuck body.

Assuming you have the 4.5" Boxford, I personally wouldn't buy a chuck any larger than 160mm though it could take a little larger. (A 160mm chuck has about 50mm clearence between the body and the ways)

Chronos have a Soba four jaw self centering chuck on their website which comes with internal and external jaws and is already fitted with a Boxford backplate so hopefully no machining needed. I've no experience of this chuck but I've no complaints of Soba equipment I have owned in the past.

I've not checked but I think other suppliers aslo stock Boxford specific chucks.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Gavier looks to have covered the ground with a good answer, but can I suggest it's well worth learning how to set up your 4-jaw independent?

Self-centring 4-jaw chucks aren't anything like as popular as the independent type because independents can do much, much more. They can grip odd shapes and align work to spin accurately on any centre, as needed to turn ovals or bore precisely placed holes.

Setting them up is indeed a bit of a faff but it's surprising how quickly it can be done after the operator has put in enough practise. For some reason, 4-jaws are only supplied with one chuck key which makes aligning the job much harder. Far better to use two keys in opposition. Make one if necessary. 

Briefly, assuming it's round for simplicity, gently grip the work in the 4-jaw as close to centre as your eyeball permits, perhaps using a centre in the tailstock or the jaw markings to get near. Then mount a DTI to measure the job's horizontal displacement, put a pair of opposite adjusters level, and turn the job through 180° to find how far out the job is horizontally. Use the two chuck keys together to push the job sideways as necessary to halve the difference. Repeat until the centre is correct on both sides, but probably not up and down.  Don't overtighten the jaws. Once the job is centred horizontally, turn the chuck through 90° and do the same with the other pair of adjusters.

Check the true centre has been found by turning the chuck through 360° whilst watching the DTI. When centred correctly, shown by the DTI barely moving as the job turns, tighten up taking care not to disturb the setting.

Measuring with a DTI is convenient for centring round objects, but much the same technique works on irregular shapes, where the centre is defined with a centre-pop or other reference. Basically the job is rotated and tweaked with two keys until the centre point stops moving against some reference. It may help to reference the point against a fixed centre in the tailstock, or with a tool in the tool-post, but it can also be done with shims, or any other aid. Old-time turners did it with a stick of chalk.

With practice the process completes surprisingly quickly, and it has the advantage of being more accurate than any self-centring device. There are guys who use 4-jaw independents for everything because it takes longer to change to a self-centring chuck than it does to align work very accurately in a 4-jaw. If stranded on a desert island and only allowed one chuck, a 4-jaw independent is by far the best choice.

Can't claim myself to be super-quick, but I cracked my faff problem by spending a couple of days doing nothing but adjust various lumps of metal in my 4-jaw. As with parallel parking I'm not brilliant at it, but my 4-jaw is conquered!  Practise, practise, practise…

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 15/03/2021 09:21:23

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Or just rotate the job through one full turn, noting the maximum and minimum readings on the dial indicator and then turn the dial so the Zero is at the halfway point between the two readings. Then set each pair of jaws to read zero as the jaw lines up with the indicator. Once you read zero all the way round, job is true.

Edited By Hopper on 15/03/2021 09:29:00

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

I have a 5 inch Burnerd 3 jaw for occasional use on my myford,and I have a european Bison brand 6 inch 3 jaw chuck on my Colchester,this chuck is heavy far too heavy for a Boxford,. I last worked seriously on a Boxford many years ago. Now although I can see no problem with occasional use with the Myford,I would not like to run a six inch chuck on the Boxford especially as you only have one set of jaws for your current 3 jaw and you will be tempted to use a larger chuck all of the time,I would get a good 5 inch chuck,with both sets of jaws and if that runs out of capacity then use the four jaw.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

130mm centre height? I often use 160mm vises on my 5” centre-height lathe. One of them is a 160mm self-centring four jaw.

It is a good make (TOS), but I only use it for perfectly round items – as they will only grip evenly on one pair of jaws if at all out-of-round, so, to be honest I would prefer three jaw over a four jaw self-centring vise in whatever size.

I like the 160mm TOS 4 jaw independent, but often use a smaller chuck due to the ease of changing a lighter chuck. If a job needs to be removed form the jaws, it will be (nearly always) better re-mounted in an independent-jawed chuck.

I would consider a 160mm chuck to be the maximum size for our lathes, but smaller chucks are so much lighter – and easier – to change, so my 100mm vises do get a fair amount of use.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Setting work in a four jaw independent chuck may take more time, but it should (The accuracy is in your hands ) produce far greater concentricity than a 3 jaw self centering chuck. Possibly ten times more concentric.

If you don't have one, you will need one at some time in the future, believe me!.

If you want a new backplate and chuck, Arc Euro offer 5" diameter backplates threaded 1 1/2 x 8 tpi (Catalogue 11 price was £22.40 + ,carriage )

Arc Euro offer a 125 mm 4 jaw independent chuck for £55:00

They also offer 125 mm diameter 3 jaw self centering chucks for £49.00 and soft Jaws are available for £21.70 a set.

In both cases, the fixing thread in the back of the chuck is M8.

Daft Thought.

If a set of soft jaws would fit your existing chuck, (Scroll / slots ) you could turn those to be a set of external jaws? Admittedly soft, but still suitable for use as External jaws, since neither set of jaws (hard or soft ) will give such good concentricity as a 4 jaw independent

Howard

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

I have a 6.25" Burnerd GripTru 3 jaw. Heavy old beast but goes well on my AUD. Do be mindful that if you run the lathe in reverse and it dropped off that here would be some SERIOUS damage !!!

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

I would leave at least 1 1/2" clearance between the OD of the chuck and the lathe bed. The Smart & Brown model A can use a 9" faceplate, and the biggest chuck that is used is 6 3/4" diameter. That size is only used occasionally as it is heavy and takes up a lot of length. The chuck is a Pratt with serrated jaws which comes in handy for precision work, as it is intended for soft jaws.

I would get a 160mm, they are much bigger than a 125mm, and easy to get hold of.

Edited By old mart on 15/03/2021 16:03:28

[Graham HalsteadParticipant @grahamhalstead79384]

Thanks gents great help and a few things to consider from your experiences.

will take a look at the options you’ve all proposed.

good idea on the reversing soft jaws. Guide slots for the jaws in my 3 jaw run at an angle.

many thanks.

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