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  • #365207
    Tony Falloon
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      Im looking at renewing my bench mounted pillar drill for a floor mounted one. On shopping around to see what is available I got my eye on a radial floor mounted example. Given the choice would you choose a pillar or radial and why?

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      Tony Falloon
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        #365210
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          If I had the space, I would choose the Radial for its versatility.

          … But that's a very big IF

          MichaelG.

          #365211
          Clive Foster
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            Do you mean a proper metal working radial drill or one of the wood bashers pretend variety with an ordinary import drill head and motor on opposite ends of a long, horizontal sliding tube?

            The pretend variety are basically a waste of space, especially if floor mounted, and the long horizontal tube seriously gets in the way when its on the bench. Theory is you can move the drill head out past the table to handle a long job stood on the floor or one too deep to get in the normal throat depth. Many also let you rotate the head so as to drill at an angle. Basically 64 different ways to mis-align the thing and nearly impossible to get it back exactly so. Horizontal tube is flexi so accuracy and smoothness suffers. I'm sure there are thing where only a diabolical device like that will do but I've yet to encounter one.

            The real thing with massive column, deep section arm and sliding geared head drill are a different kettle of fish altogether. Small ones are very big, big ones are enormous so you need plenty of space. They work extremely well but take a fair bit of setting up so are invariably slower than a normal drill for most jobs. Also very, very dangerous as the set-up versatility means you can't assume an invariably safe work position. Most swing big drills too. Always expensive. If you need one you'll know it but really overkill for home shop guy.

            Better to spend your money on a real industrial class drill with relatively deep throat like my Pollard 15AY. £120 14 years ago and worth every penny many times over.

            Clive.

            #365215
            HOWARDT
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              @howardt

              It depends on what size the parts are and what size drills you want to use. Pillars drills come in a range of sizes butt I think most you will come across as a floor mounted drill will be in the 3 morse taper range. A rise and fall table with screw adjustment are around 18 inches square. Radial drills are usually much larger unless you are talking of a hobby drill with a round over arm. A radial has a fixed cube on the machine base and the overarm carries the spindle. The overarm is moved up and down on a round column and the spindle is traveresed along it. Radials are meant for heavy industrial use no good for small drills, sub 1/2 inch, there is no feel feedback. Pillar drills are sensitive in that there is a certain amount of pressure feedback through the quill rack and pinion. I have used both in industry and used to design multi spindle setups for pillar drills, a pillar drill would be my preference.

              #365220
              Michael Gilligan
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                Posted by Clive Foster on 02/08/2018 20:01:49:

                Do you mean a proper metal working radial drill or one of the wood bashers pretend variety with an ordinary import drill head and motor on opposite ends of a long, horizontal sliding tube?

                The pretend variety are basically a waste of space …

                .

                Ooops blush … I had taken proper as a given

                I agree completely, regarding 'pretend'

                MichaelG.

                #365232
                Bob Mc
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                  I purchased a bench drill from a well known company and was very much disappointed .. the quill had 1/2 inch of play in it and the table could not be locked in position, it moved as you drilled..! I also noticed quite a lot of 'nod' when I trammed the table.

                  I should have sent it back but would a replacement have similar problems, I decided to make it a project and sort the mess out.

                  I made an eccentric bearing for the quill and now has no play.

                  The table did not lock due to the locking nut surface not being parallel with the machined side of the table support arm bearing and consequently there was only one point of contact between nut and surface.

                  see below..

                  The support arm.

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                  The relative angle of the un-machined side.

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                  The 'nod' was a more difficult situation, so I made a new adjustable 'nod' support arm .. below.

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                  The table now trams up perfectly…

                  Moral of the story… should have bought a vintage drill and renovated it..

                  #365233
                  Bazyle
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                    @bazyle

                    A Meddings or Elliott Progress would be 2MT and equivalent to a bench drill but some of the larger Elliotts are 3 or 4MT. YOU won't be 'floor standing' when you see the prices surprise

                    #365258
                    Speedy Builder5
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                      @speedybuilder5

                      Any of these should do the job nicely.
                      **LINK**

                      #365266
                      martin perman 1
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                        @martinperman1

                        I have a friend whose son found a metal working radial drill at his works waiting for the scrap man, he told his dad and they checked it over and offered a price which was accepted, my friend worked for a car main dealer and he borrowed the sliding body recovery truck to move the drill, the problem was that having got it onto the back of the body the truck hydraulics point blankly refused to pull the body with the drill back into place, they had to find another way of getting it home and for the last couple of years it has helped build a half scale road locomotive.

                        Martin P

                        #365273
                        Clive Foster
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                          @clivefoster55965

                          If you do decide to get a proper radial arm drill with base mounted box table you will still need to keep a bench or ordinary pillar drill for smaller work.

                          Driving a radial arm drill is a whole different world to using an ordinary drill. Quickly clamping a job in the vice or onto the table is not what they are generally made for. Probably true to say that if you can lift it the job is too small for a normal radial. Box tables are low too which is great for big jobs, not so great for smaller ones.

                          Something like the Richmond SR3 is probably the nearest radial arm drill to an ordinary pillar drill in terms of basic capacity and how you use it as it has an ordinary table as standard rather than a box. Not impossibly big either and, later ones at least, have a top speed of 1550 rpm or thereabouts. Can sometimes be found quite reasonably priced too as its a crossover machine and doesn't fit the normal pillar / drill radial drill niches. But great if its what you need. Similar machines from some other makes too, thats just the one I know the model number of.

                          Confession time. Looked into this idea myself when I wanted to trade up from my previous Pollard Corona drill which was more a woodworkers machine with higher than desirable spindle speeds for metal bashing. Still sometimes tempted.

                          Clive

                          #365287
                          Tony Falloon
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                            @tonyfalloon30241

                            Thanks for the tips, realising a proper radial driller would be far too big, far too expensive and would take up more workshop space than I have. Im now looking at a second hand floor pillar drill. I have seen an Ajax AJP025, they look very basic but substantial.

                            #365511
                            larry phelan 1
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                              @larryphelan1

                              I dont think you would find too many radial drills in most home workshops,they tend to be,shall we say,"A little on the large size",apart from not being suitable for most of the work passing through. The are fine for the type of work they do,but not for hobby work.

                              As for the other "objects",the pretend drills,the remind me of something which was dreamed up after a few bad pints at the local. To call them useless would be a kindness,you would be better off with a good hand drill. They take up too much room and are inaccurate.Only ever saw one of them in a friends shop some years ago and he was less than happy with it,said it took too long to get it to run true.

                              Perhaps it seemed like a good idea at the time,but did they ever catch on ?

                              Another guy I knew came up with another idea when he needed to drill holes in sheets ,too big for his bench drill to handle. He made up a long arm,using box tubing,hinged to the wall so that it could swing in an arc. A carriage moved along this beam with a bench drill head fitted to it. It was a bit "iffy" but it worked and could handle fairly big sheets. It was simple and cheap and could be swung back to the wall when not required.

                              Just an idea.

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