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  • #431973
    old mart
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      @oldmart

      One of the 25mm R8 collets is back on ebay, for sale by a reputable vendor. I would not dare to try one for fear of a disaster, has anyone used one?

      https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R8-Collet-for-Bridgeport-Milling-Machine-etc-25-mm/372791941387?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

      Edited By old mart on 05/10/2019 21:39:11

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      old mart
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        #431975
        Daniel
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          @daniel

          Quite possibly a perfectly servicable item.

          But, at £19.95 postage to France, I wouldn't consider it.

          ATB,

          Daniel

          #431976
          Anonymous

            I wouldn't buy one. One, the vendor is not a supplier I use anymore. Two, I don't see how the collet grips anything. Sure, at end nearest the taper, the collet will grip. But as you move away from the taper there's nothing compressing the collet fingers and making them grip. I'd imagine that a 25mm endmill would work loose in a very short time with any sort of cut.

            Andrew

            #431979
            Emgee
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              @emgee

              Agree with Andrew's comments re grip but may take a chance to hold a tool that needed light grinding to sharpen.

              Emgee

              #431983
              Clive Foster
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                @clivefoster55965

                Only way thats going to hold anything against cutting forces is if you tap tight fitting sleeve, or better, shrink fit, over the extended part after you've put the cutter in.

                A semi permanent job. Which might be worth it if you have a suitably hefty cutter, flycutter, boring head or whatever on a 25 mm shaft sitting around doing nowt.

                Considerable risk of the collet snapping where the taper runs out into the extended part.

                Better to get a sidelock (weldon) holder and grind a flat on the cutter. At least the holder is all solid.

                Although I have full sets of R8 in both imperial and metric I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that sidelock is the better way for plain shank cutters. But Clarkson is my general purpose go to as I have plenty of screwed shank cutters.

                Clive

                #431990
                old mart
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                  @oldmart

                  You would need a very strong Jubilee clip on the end! laugh

                  #432918
                  Bob Astill
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                    @bobastill76884

                    I have one of these as someone gave me several 50mm milling cutters i find if i clamp it in and also use a jublee clip at the end it works fine i have never tried to work the cutter hard though.

                    Bob

                    #432926
                    old Al
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                      @oldal

                      For my 1" cutters and i assume their is a 25 mm alternative i have a holder that looks like an oversize FC3 holder.Still oversized for an R8 spindle so light cuts and only used when nothing else will do

                      #432928
                      JohnF
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                        @johnf59703

                        For me its a no ! When using larger cutters its far better to use a screwed shank cutter and a Clarkson [style] chuck. Better not to push beyond the design limits IMO.

                        However If you did choose to go there I would consider making a split collar that goes over the extended part of the collet and lock it in place with an allen screw thus supporting the thin walls and not allowing them to splay outwards. Still not the best option — use the right tool for the job !

                        John

                        #432958
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          I suppose it would not be too difficult to screw-cut the outer diameter and turn a taper on the nose … then add a closing nut.

                          Whether that’s worth the effort might depend upon how accurately the basic collet is made.

                          MichaelG.

                          #432966
                          nigel jones 5
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                            @nigeljones5

                            At not more than £10 from most well known UK suppliers why would you?

                            #432969
                            JasonB
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                              Posted by fizzy on 12/10/2019 15:57:31:

                              At not more than £10 from most well known UK suppliers why would you?

                               

                              Fizzy it's an oversize one, question is will it hold

                              Edited By JasonB on 12/10/2019 17:12:42

                              #432971
                              Ian P
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                                @ianp

                                I dont have or use R8, but this one looks the same as the one Arc have so what is oversized about it?

                                Ian P

                                #432972
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by Ian P on 12/10/2019 16:53:13:

                                  I dont have or use R8, but this one looks the same as the one Arc have so what is oversized about it?

                                  Ian P

                                  .

                                  … the bore is oversized for R8

                                  A rather dubious arrangement [whoever supplies it] methinks.

                                  MichaelG.

                                  Arc 1” : https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/R8-Collets/R8-Collets-Round-1

                                  Arc 20mm : https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/R8-Collets/R8-Collets-Round-20mm

                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 12/10/2019 17:09:39

                                  #432973
                                  JasonB
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                                    @jasonb

                                    If you also compare it to a standard R8 collet you will see that they grip in the tapered area but the oversize ones grip in the extended end so not as direct a closing force.

                                    It's a bit like using a 5C step collet without the closing ring.

                                    Edited By JasonB on 12/10/2019 17:14:31

                                    #432975
                                    Brian Oldford
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                                      @brianoldford70365

                                      I thought many people had migrated to the ER series of collets nowadays. Obviously not. The grip of an ER collet is parallel over a wide range.

                                      #432977
                                      Michael Gilligan
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                                        @michaelgilligan61133

                                        For Crawford’s range of sizes, see p22 of this brochure: **LINK**

                                        http://www.rotagriponline.com/datasheets/5C.pdf

                                        [ ignore the file-name ]

                                        MichaelG.

                                        #432978
                                        jimmy b
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                                          @jimmyb

                                          Yes I'd buy one if I needed it!

                                          I have an over size C5 collet (30mm) that I bought for one job.

                                          Jim

                                          #432983
                                          Tony Pratt 1
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                                            @tonypratt1

                                            Using a big cutter [i.e. 25 mm / 1"] or above in an R8 spindled machine seems attractive but in practice you would get little or no benefit out of doing so.

                                            Tony

                                            #432991
                                            JasonB
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                                              @jasonb

                                              Does allow you to get a decent cutting speed if the machines spindle speed is limited, I got 500m/min cutting speed earlier todaysmiley

                                              #432992
                                              old mart
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                                                @oldmart

                                                The shank of an R8 toolholder is 15/16", (23.8mm) and the length of the tapered end is 1", if you use a standard collet for a 20mm cutter, the depth is limited, a 3/4" size is the biggest that gives a decent choice of fitted depth.

                                                I use up to 80mm shell mills regularly with R8, but don't bother with any solid cutters above 20mm, and 16mm with ER25 collets. The threaded shank cutters used in the small series Clarkson, Osborn and Acramill go up to 16mm shank with cutting diameters up to 20mm. The larger threaded shank holders in R8 go up to about 32mm.

                                                ER collets in 32 and 40 sizes are ok except, the limitations of the R8 only allow a relatively short amount of shank just the depth of the collet length.

                                                #432995
                                                Nigel Graham 2
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                                                  @nigelgraham2

                                                  I can't see that collet as illustrated having much holding power at all. The grip on an R8 collet is given by the portion of the taper within the spindle, and it's hard to see what that protruding section can really achieve.

                                                  I prefer the Autolock for most work, keeping the R8 collets only for small diameter cutters, centre-drills and the wiggler.

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