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  • #12076
    Brian Hall
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      #111132
      Brian Hall
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        @brianhall37323

        As a novice in this world of small engineering, I am still looking for a lathe. I may have the oportunity to purchase a Smart & Brown SABEL Engineering Lathe and wonder what you good folks think of it's suitability for a none-engineer like me.

        regards

        Brian

        #111204
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Welcome aboard, Brian

          Assuming the lathe to be complete, and undamaged, it should be a very useful machine.

          … Have a look here

          But do beware: Spares for things like this can be scarce and expensive.

          MichaelG.

          #111251
          Brian Hall
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            @brianhall37323

            Thanks Michael,

            I have only seen a photo of the lathe so far and it looks okay to me. The owner assures me that it is functioning okay but just needs a good clean. The issue with the availability & price of spares seems to be an issue with a lot of older lathes so I guess if I buy it I will have to live with that. The lathe is being offered for £200 so that sounds like a bargain to me.

            I'll let you know how I get on

            regards

            Brian

            #111253
            Brian Hall
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              @brianhall37323

              Here is a photo of the lathe:

              SABEL

              regards

              Brian

              #111255
              Old School
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                @oldschool

                Brian

                I dont know what you want to use it for, If it was me I would put my £200 towards something more modern that you can get parts for. For a lot of projects you will need a 3 jaw chuck with inside and outside jaws plus a 4 jaw independant chuck. A nice to have is a face plate. Unless the lathe comes with these you will soon be in the range of a modern chinese lathe they are not as bad as some will have you believe the big plus is most come with all the accessories you need to get going.

                Olly

                #111261
                Ady1
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                  @ady1

                  200 quid?? For a sabel in decent nick?

                  Grab it, with both hands

                  Throw your arms around him and hug him tight

                  edit

                  mooch about for some tooling if you go for it

                  "Although spares are no longer available for this range of  Smart & Brown lathes, most Boxford and South Bend parts and accessories will fit (including the T-slotted cross slide) so providing a cheap and easily route to restoration. "

                  Edited By Ady1 on 07/02/2013 14:24:59

                  #111262
                  Brian Hall
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                    @brianhall37323

                    The following is how it has been described on the email that the owner has sent with the photo:

                    'This lathe is in working order, but needs a bit of TLC to bring it back to its former self.
                    It is at least 40 years old and has been stored for the last 10 years.
                    It is 240v single phase and included are 3 & 4 jaw chucks, centres and various tools.'

                    I called him on the phone and that was when he told me it was working okay but just needed a good clean up. It has been run occasionally while in storage to keep it running okay.

                    I would have thought that a faceplate would make a worthwhile project for me to make, surely it is just a piece of steel (round of course) with holes/slots in it and a suitable thread to fasten it to the headstock.

                    Olly does make me wonder but then Ady's comments are quite encouraging.

                    regards

                    Brian

                    #111263
                    Ady1
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                      @ady1

                      You won't get another chance like this bud

                      If you take the hobby up and do it seriously… you've got one heck of a starter kit

                       

                      There's a lot of blood sweat and tears btw, it's a rocky road but well worth the effort

                      (and you'll never have to watch rubbish on the TV ever again)

                       

                      btw

                      That Elfs guy, Dan Calkin, nearly always used South Bend lathes in his workshop

                      http://www.modelenginenews.org/elf/erics_elfs/index.html

                      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dan-Calkin-his-ELFs-called/dp/0967366607

                       

                       

                       

                      Edited By Ady1 on 07/02/2013 15:03:12

                      #111265
                      Brian Hall
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                        @brianhall37323

                        smiley Watch very little on the box as it is.

                        I am mainly a woodworker and like to think quite practical too, not averse to a bit of blood, sweat & tears. I've been watching some youtube videos and reading books about engineering and am keen to have a go.

                        No idea what I want to make but some of the books I've been reading have plenty of tool projects to get me going.

                        The lathe is being sold by a member of our local woodturners club.

                        regards

                        Brian

                        #111266
                        NJH
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                          @njh

                          Hi Brian

                          I wouldn't worry about a faceplate – it's not something that gets used very often. The chucks on the other hand you need all the time. I don't think you can expect too much for £200 and the LOOK of the machine is no guide to it's state. It would be a good restoration project but, if there is much wrong with it then, as you state that you are a beginner, it could prove beyond your present capabilities. If that turns out to be the case then it's just a lump of old metal and the exercise might put you off ME for ever! What's more you would be £200 further away from a machine on which you can learn some skills.

                          It may be, of course, that the machine is a snip and Smart&Brown are one of the most respected names in the business. If so £200 would seem very cheap – and I do wonder why? Do you know of anyone with some knowledge of lathes that you could take with you go to see the machine ?

                          Regards

                          Norman

                          #111284
                          Bazyle
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                            @bazyle

                            It is uncanny how closely it resembles my (50 yr old) Boxford. Looks a bit like an S&B model A had an affair with a SouthBend and this is the progeny.

                            Probably your seller just wants to pass it on to a club member for about what he got it for 20 years or so ago and isn't an ebay junkie. You would easily sell it again on the auction site.

                            Plenty of things you can use it for to help with your woodworking. Perhaps help you make a rose engine.

                            #111288
                            Wolfie
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                              @wolfie

                              I have a large Smart and Brown model A. Lovely piece of kit older than me

                              #111536
                              Brian Hall
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                                @brianhall37323

                                Well, I went to look at the lathe yesterday and for better or for worse have agreed to buy it. It is situated in a tiny village called Y Fron in the hills above Caernarfon in North Wales. Very bleak & misty up there yesterday but a beautiful place with stunning views when the weather is fine.

                                I will be collecting it in two weeks time and it will have to be dismantled somewhat in order to move it. I looked at a Colchester Student a couple of months ago but that one was just huge, far too big for me. This SABEL is a lot more manageable.

                                As for the condition of the lathe, while I am no expert, everything did seem to be in quite reasonable condition. There is some surface rust but this can easily be cleaned up. I think it will teach me a lot about the lathe just moving it and cleaning it and during that process I should get a good feel for how it is going to operate.

                                The lathe used to belong to the sellers father who has apparently bought a larger Boxford and no longer has need of this one

                                At £200 it does appear to be a real bargain and there is a wooden box included that contains a 3 jaw self centering chuck, a 4 jaw independent chuck, drill chuck for the tailstock and a faceplate together with a few other bits & pieces. Even if I don't take up this hobby of small engineering, which I doubt, I am sure, as Bazyle indicates above, I should have no trouble moving it on.

                                So people, expect a few (no – a lot) of silly novice questions in the coming months smiley

                                regards

                                Brian

                                #111538
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                  Nice one Brian

                                  MichaelG.

                                  #111543
                                  Robin King
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                                    @robinking15611

                                    Brian,

                                    I'm a bit late on this thread but well done – sound move, and you'll enjoy it. You'll find parts for Smart & Brown lathes come up from time to time on a certain auction site but if you need anything specific such as change wheels, T slotted cross slide etc have a look at John Ward's site 'latheparts.co.uk'; he makes/supplies parts for all of the Southbend lathe clones, i.e. Boxford, Hercus, S&B, etc at modest prices and well worth a look – quality is first class.

                                    Robin

                                    #111726
                                    Norman Vant
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                                      @normanvant32224

                                      Brian,

                                      There is a very active Yahoo newsgroup for Smart and Brown. I have never yet had a query go unresolved. **LINK**

                                      They really are lovely lathes. Those of us who own them love them. I have a Model A and the only thing I would change it for is its big brother, the 1024 (and I can't afford that).

                                      All the manuals are on the S & B newsgroup. Suggest you join before you start dismantling.

                                      Regards,

                                      Norman.

                                      #111735
                                      Brian Hall
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                                        @brianhall37323

                                        Thanks Norman,

                                        I have already found that newsgroup and downloaded the user manual & parts list but thanks anyway. The only thing I get confused with newsgroups as all the messages seem to be mixed up and just listed in the order they are posted. Not like on forums where things are more organised.

                                        Still another useful resource nevertheless,

                                        regards

                                        Brian

                                        #119700
                                        Traction man
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                                          @tractionman

                                          Hello

                                          I am in the process of re furbishing a S&B model M Mk2 lathe, The problem I have is with the sliding feed, it keeps dropping out even if you hold the engagment lever up as far as it will go. Looking in the manual it appears to be a sort of cone drive. But I cannot see any adjustment on it.

                                          If any one has any ideas I would be very greateful before I strip the whole saddle apart.

                                          Regards

                                          David

                                          #119702
                                          Norman Vant
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                                            @normanvant32224

                                            Hello Traction Man,

                                            Probably best to repeat the advice previously given on this thread. Join the Smart and Brown Yahoo Group.

                                            Plenty of Model M experts there and always helpful.

                                            Regards,

                                            Norman.

                                            #119703
                                            Traction man
                                            Participant
                                              @tractionman

                                              Hello Norman

                                              Thanks for the quick responce. I will give the group a go and see what comes back. I must admit that I am a bit reluctant to strip the saddle as it looks quite complicated and I am not a mechanical man by profession.

                                              #334137
                                              Ray Ganderton
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                                                @rayganderton56482

                                                A Smart and Brown Sabel for £200! Has the decimal point wandered or is the buyer insane?

                                                #334138
                                                David Standing 1
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                                                  @davidstanding1

                                                  You may not have noticed that the post you are responding to was from nearly five years ago smiley

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