What are these wheels /tyres?

[Ian ParkinParticipant @ianparkin39383]

[Ian ParkinParticipant @ianparkin39383]

Can anyone recognise these wheels tyres? And any idea where i can get a pair?

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Google "ATV" tyres, for example

Edited By JasonB on 19/06/2019 11:12:03

[Ian ParkinParticipant @ianparkin39383]

Thanks Jason

i had searched for “all terrain vehicle” to no avail

”atv “ brings up loads !!!!!

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

That badly needs a thick rubber edging strip…or harness.

pgk

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

Ride on mower tyres ?

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Agree with Jason, they are ATV tyres, they must have sizes on them.

Martin P

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

I don't know if this si relevant to the thread. I have a ride-on lawnmower, and use it to cut a field which also has about 100 plum trees. The plum trees have vicious spikes on them, and these inevitably end up on the ground, and of course, then end up in the mower tyres. The tyres puncture extremely easily – they are not made of rubber, but some variety of nylon, and apparently have little or no resistance to penetration. At first I found it was impossible to get them repaired – patches won't stick because of the nylon, and our local tyre repair man tried using plugs, but could not get them to stay in place, because the rubber plugs apparently didn't have enough friction against the nylon tyres.

After much searching, I found a repair kit in the UK that had been imported from the US – it uses a sort of gun to push soft rubber mushroom shaped plugs through the tyre from the outside, head-first, then the tyre pressure forces the expanded plug head into contact with the inside wall of the tyre. It works, but cost 48 pounds about 8 years ago, with sufficient plugs to repair 20 holes. An extra bag of 20 plugs was another 10 pounds.

Eventually, the tyres reached a point where I was putting plugs virtually alongside each other, so I decided to get new tyres – they cost just under 1000 Euros for the four tyres (two large and two small), and that was a (relatively) good offer. I am now going to buy several goats – they have to be cheaper and more efficient!.

I don't want to put you off using these mower tyres, just to give warning. I think if you can get tyres for the 'road-going' type of ATV, then they will be made of rubber, and this problem will not occur, but they may still be expensive.

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Posted by An Other on 19/06/2019 18:41:03:

After much searching, I found a repair kit in the UK that had been imported from the US – it uses a sort of gun to push soft rubber mushroom shaped plugs through the tyre from the outside, head-first, then the tyre pressure forces the expanded plug head into contact with the inside wall of the tyre. It works, but cost 48 pounds about 8 years ago, with sufficient plugs to repair 20 holes. An extra bag of 20 plugs was another 10 pounds.

Eventually, the tyres reached a point where I was putting plugs virtually alongside each other, so I decided to get new tyres – they cost just under 1000 Euros for the four tyres (two large and two small), and that was a (relatively) good offer. I am now going to buy several goats – they have to be cheaper and more efficient!.

I don't want to put you off using these mower tyres, just to give warning. I think if you can get tyres for the 'road-going' type of ATV, then they will be made of rubber, and this problem will not occur, but they may still be expensive.

The repair kit you describe is used by the AA, my Daughter had a puncture caused by a screw and she could'nt change the wheel because unknown to her a tyre company had buggered the security nut whilst changing the tyre and even Dad couldn't undo it without damaging the alloy rim, the AA was called and the technician could'nt undo the nut so he produced the tool to put a plug inside from the outside but stated it was a get you home fix, 50mph max, and didnt use adhesives so could leak, the next morning she had to pump the tyre up to get the car to her Ford dealer to remove the nut and fit her a new tyre.

Martin P

[nigel jones 5Participant @nigeljones5]

thems quad bike tyres…aweful on the road but good in the mud – loads on ebay

[alan-lloydParticipant @alan-lloyd]

They are off of a sit on lawn mower used on golf clubs, google Toro grass equipment

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

I expect you can get a pair from any good tyre fitting service. Same place as your car tyres (if you have one).

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

I like the way the cockpit cutouts have been made into the mudguards.

[HughEParticipant @hughe]

Ian where abouts are you as I have a set going free off my old wheelhorse ride on. Also new tyres an inner tubes.

Pm me for more info.

Hugh

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

My local agricultural engineer also sells atv's and ride-on mowers. Likely if one asked him and similar places they would have some old tyres rattling around that would be good enough for kiddie-towed use.
ATV's come in all sorts of sizes from the real farm stuff to kiddie racing.
My first chinese cheapo ATV suffered from punctures and when we pulled the tyre the number of thorns through it was beyond counting. Agri place just refitted it, filled it with tyre sealant and it stayed functional for some years (not for on-road use). I understand such sealants can prevent proper repairs later.

You can buy external plug kits on-line but usually speed restricted compared to the mushrooms used from inside.

My current honda fourtrax tyres are inflated to 4psi so unlikely that external plugs would be spread by internal pressure (no punctures so not needed to try any fix). Brake hard on a road surface with such tyres and you just skid.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by old mart on 19/06/2019 22:12:58:

I like the way the cockpit cutouts have been made into the mudguards.

I thought that.

A bit nervous about what might happen if pulling a chain of these and they lock up or twist with kids on board.

Neil

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

pgk pgk – Our local tyre bodger will not repair tyres that have been filled with this horrible slime they sell for 'instant' repair of tyres. Having senn one after it has been removed from the wheel, I can't say I blame the guy at all. There is quite a lot about it online.

Incidentally, I noted your comments about internal and external plugs: I never found external plugs, and the plugs I described are fitted from the exterior – there is a sort of file with the kit, which one forces through the casing at the point it has been punctured to enlarge and clean(?) the hole. The plug is then fitted into the gun mushroom head first (they are quite soft, and the gun is designed to allow this). The nozzle of the gun is forced into the hole in the tyre, then the gun is screwed onto its nozzle. The gun is pumped 4 or 5 times, and this forces the plug head first through the tyre casing, then the gun is pulled away. This leaves the mushroom head against the inside of the casing, with the stem poking out through the 'puncture' hole to be trimmed off. They work fine, but I thought nearly fifty pounds was a bit pricy.

I also found many recommendations to fill the tyres with expanding builders foam – in effect to make them semi-solid – this is also a big mistake. The foam apparently breaks up in use, and tends to agglomerate in one place in the tyre, so you effectively end up riding on an eccentric wheel – and you also cannot get it repaired after doing this! (All this discussion is beginning to make me think the best thing for ride on mowers would be tracks!)

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by An Other on 20/06/2019 19:00:43:

(All this discussion is beginning to make me think the best thing for ride on mowers would be tracks!)

Or a tweel as fitted to John Deeres

Edited By JasonB on 20/06/2019 19:10:31

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by An Other on 20/06/2019 19:00:43:

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Incidentally, I noted your comments about internal and external plugs: I never found external plugs, and the plugs I described are fitted from the exterior – there is a sort of file with the kit, which one forces through the casing at the point it has been punctured to enlarge and clean(?) the hole. The plug is then fitted into the gun mushroom head first (they are quite soft, and the gun is designed to allow this). The nozzle of the gun is forced into the hole in the tyre, then the gun is screwed onto its nozzle. The gun is pumped 4 or 5 times, and this forces the plug head first through the tyre casing, then the gun is pulled away. This leaves the mushroom head against the inside of the casing, with the stem poking out through the 'puncture' hole to be trimmed off. They work fine, but I thought nearly fifty pounds was a bit pricy.

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This was the kit I'd seen – but never used. Don't think i'd trust it on the motorway

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

..forgot the blasted link….here

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

pgk pgk – thats not the kit I have, it was sold specifically for ride on mowers, and has warnings all over it that it should not be used for vehicles used on the road – but like you, I don't think I would use any repair kit like this on road-going vehicles. I have had two or three repairs (using my kit) fial, either because the plug had not inserted fully (there is no way to be sure), or simply failing to seal the hole.

I'm afraid I err in the direction of supercautious with road tyres – I have lost the tread on a retread at speed (some years ago), and have had a new tyre simply burst on me – it appeared that it developed a soft spot in the sidewall, then simply blew out, so now I throw away tyres with any damage, and replace them – about 6 or 7 tyres over 50 years, so its not that bad when you look it over time.

Sorry – didn't mean to hijack the original thread – is the drum/tyres part of some kind of roundabout or ride for the kids?

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

The repair kit sounds like the ones that my father sold, (Bowes Seal Fast) many years ago, when tubeless tyres were just coming in.

Howard

[RRMBKParticipant @rrmbk]

https://motorcycle.michelinman.com/motorbike/tips-and-advice/tyre-pressure/off-road.

Michelin make alternative filled tubes, known as Bib Mousse ( after their mascot Bibendum ) for off road endurance motorcycles.and they are exceptionally good although a bitch to fit ! Having developed the concept it wold seem logical for them to make them for ATV's, possibly worth a look.

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